Paul's Passing Thoughts

The Difference Between Justification by Faith and Justification by New Birth

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on July 24, 2018

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  1. John said, on July 24, 2018 at 10:34 AM

    Yes, thanks; and justification does not “grow,” as that lot and their false gospel believe.

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  2. Christian said, on July 24, 2018 at 2:10 PM

    Doesn’t the new birth come by faith?

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  3. beccaj rt said, on July 24, 2018 at 4:15 PM

    The new birth is based on faith; faith in God’s Word. Furthermore, living based on Biblical Cross centered knowledge is not a problem, indeed, it’s perfect for our sanctification. The problem is what happened on the Cross and what it entails has essentially been ignored and or redefined in various systematic theologies. As William R. Newell (and many others) noted ages ago:

    “Almost all the theology of the various ‘creeds of Christendom’ dates back to the Reformation, which went triumphantly to the end of Romans Five, and, so far as theological development or presentation of the truth was concerned, stopped there. Therefore, you must not regard yourself as bound to accept all that legal doctrine of sanctification, which has been and still is predominantly, the sine qua non of orthodox belief.” W.R.N.

    “Neither in doctrine nor in walk did the Reformation go back to the early days of the Church. In doctrine they did teach (thank God!) justification by faith apart from works. Luther’s “Commentary on Galatians” is in many respects the most vigorous utterance of faith since Paul. Yet the Reformers did not teach Paul’s doctrine of identification,—that the believer’s history, as connected with Adam, ended at Calvary: that he died to sin, federally, with Christ; and died to the law, which gave sin its power. All the Reformation creeds kept the believer under the law as a rule of life; and “the law made nothing perfect.” Whereas, Scripture speaks of a perfect conscience, through a perfect sacrifice; of faith being perfected; of being made perfect in love; of perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” W.R.N.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on July 26, 2018 at 6:58 PM

      beccaj rt,

      We are NOT sanctified by justification, that’s progressive justification which denies the new birth. The cross is only half of the gospel, and half of the gospel will not save you. And of course, here we go again, you cite men as your authority for truth, and of course, under the auspices of scriptural authority. Per the usual, a bunch of church doublespeak using a single perspective on law. And trust me, Martin Luther was no Paul the Apostle. And if WRN identifies with Luther, both are blind and fall into the ditch. Furthermore, you have committed the cardinal sin here at PPT; through word shell games and doublespeak, you merely come here and restate Covenant Theology and Forensic Justification with terms like “identification” as if we are too stupid to see through your nonsense and nuance. Don’t come back, but do leave with this advice: repent of the church gospel or perish.

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      • beccaj rt said, on July 27, 2018 at 1:33 PM

        paul,

        You, a man, cite your “self” as your authority for truth; and assume erroneously and then falsely accuse me of citing Mr. Newell as my “authority for truth . . . under the auspices of scriptural authority.” The fact is I cited him because what he said is the truth. And a further fact is, you do not know me at all and yet you falsely accuse me of the aforementioned, and insinuate I “deny the new birth” and falsely accuse me of “church doublespeak” and of “word shell games and doublespeak…” etc., etc. Not one word you said about me is the truth. And oh the irony, you have treated me exactly as dozens of Reformed believers have treated me for citing the same truth; like shit, and they too, in their own way, said “don’t come back” afterwards. I do not see or hear Christ Jesus in any of you. That you all have the gall to behave as you do and at the same time speak of “love” is beyond pathetic. Your erroneous assumptions and false accusations belong solely to, and reflect very badly only on, you.

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      • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on July 29, 2018 at 12:06 AM

        beccajrt,
        Here is what you said: “living based on Biblical Cross centered knowledge is not a problem, indeed, it’s perfect for our sanctification.” Fact is, you assess properly, I ran out of patience for anyone propagating progressive justification long ago, so, if I have offended you…get over it. Thousands of articles have been written here in regard to this issue, and you come here dogmatically stating that some deeper knowledge of the cross is “perfect” for our sanctification? A. I care little in regard to your judgment of me regarding my salvation and love for others. B. I stand by my accusations 100% % because I know it when I see it.

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      • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on July 29, 2018 at 9:18 AM

        Public note: notice that beccaj rt does NOT address any specific points of the issue or post, but adds information. Whether he agrees or disagrees is deliberately ambiguous, and then he proffers another angle on progressive justification that differs from the “Reformed.” Folks, yes, this is doublespeak, word exchange, and word shell gaming…period. And as you can tell, sometimes I am in no mood for it.

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    • John said, on July 27, 2018 at 10:16 AM

      Beccaj RT; wow, what are you trying to peddle? You have been hoodwinked by men’s snares. Luther et al were devils and the Reformation was not, I repeat, not an act of God but an act of Satan and his limpwristed puppets.

      I hope you see the light soon.

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