Paul's Passing Thoughts

Saving the Sheep with Doctrine

Posted in Uncategorized by Andy Young, PPT contributing editor on September 1, 2016

J.I. Packer would probably be one of those who would fall under the “confused Protestant” or “sanctified Calvinist” camp.  Such would be the conclusion reading the quote below since it requires the reader to assume a different meaning than what he is clearly saying.

J.I. Packer save the sheep with doctrine

  – Believers (Christ’s sheep) need saving

  – Believers are saved listening to doctrinal preaching (one of the “means of grace”)

  – The distinction between saved and unsaved (if any) is ambiguous.

  – There is the implication of Calvin’s doctrine of the three classes of “elect”.

No, don’t ask any questions.  That just proves your pride and arrogance.  Just continue to humbly submit to your elders, show up on time when the doors of church are open, put your tithe in the offering plate, and join us all in uttering a deep and hearty “AAAaaaa-men!” at the profound wisdom of these men of God!


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  1. Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on September 1, 2016 at 1:48 PM

    “that WILL” (future tense) save the saved. The saved still need saving with the church’s “means of grace,” viz, means of continued salvation. I think it is what it is…the authentic Protestant gospel.


  2. Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on September 1, 2016 at 1:53 PM

    “We are asking the question, How does the gospel save believers?, not: How does the gospel get people to be believers?…Believers need to be saved. The gospel is the instrument of God’s power to save us. And we need to know how the gospel saves us believers so that we make proper use of it.”
    ~John Piper


    • Andy Young, PPT contributing editor said, on September 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM

      Time for the pop quiz…

      Is John Piper:
      – A. Confused?
      – B. Hoping that we will assume he means something other than what he’s really saying?


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