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Debbie Didn’t Do It; Keeps Herself Saved

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on June 20, 2015

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  1. Kenny said, on June 30, 2015 at 10:40 PM

    “I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me…” Gal. 2:20a Hmm, sounds about right.

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  2. Kenny said, on July 1, 2015 at 11:06 AM

    I guess my biggest concern is that you guys say that the “New Calvinists” emphasize a progressive justification. That is not true. When they say, “preach the Gospel to yourself everyday”, that is because it is found in Scripture. Romans 16:25 shows us that how you will grow and be strengthened in your life is in accordance with you coming to a greater grasp of the Gospel. Galatians 2:14 shows us that Peter was not living according to the truth of the Gospel. If you look at a lot of passages that give commands, right before the command the writer will state “because God/Christ has done this (Gospel), so go and live this way”. Therefore, because of this Gospel truth, go and live according to it. It is though our growing knowledge of the Gospel that we are transformed (sanctification).

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on July 1, 2015 at 11:21 AM

      kenny,

      Can I re-word it in an attempt to make you feel better? Ok, Kenny, let’s NOT say Progressive Justification, let’s say, “perpetual re-salvation by preaching the gospel to yourself.” Is that better? The idea that “new and present sin” removes us from grace (ie, justification), and returning to the same gospel that saved us in repentance re-justifies us, and this re-justification can only be found via formal membership in the institutional church. Feel better Kenny? And how many specific citations do you want? Kenny, God gave you a brain so that you can do your own thinking–use it.

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      • Kenny said, on July 1, 2015 at 12:47 PM

        If you look at my comment above, I never said they believe that repentance “re-justifies” them. They actually do not say present sin removes us from justification. They would say that because we are justified in Christ, we cannot be removed from grace. Returning to the same Gospel does not rejustify us, instead, it helps you grow in sanctification. And this growth does not come from the institutionalized church, it comes from knowing the Gospel more. I am heavily acquainted with New Calvinists and they for sure do not believe in the perpetual re-justification. They believe that you return to the Gospel because the Gospel is not only the means of justification, but the means of growth in Christ. Not quite sure where re-justification comes in there.

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      • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on July 1, 2015 at 1:06 PM

        Kenny,

        That’s the assumption of those deceived by them, and that obviously includes yourself. Here you go Kenny:

        “…by new sins we continually separate ourselves, as far as we can, from the grace of God… Thus it is, that all the saints have need of the daily forgiveness of sins; for this alone keeps us in the family of God” (John Calvin: Commentaries on the Catholic Epistles; The Calvin Translation Society 1855. Editor: John Owen, p. 165 ¶4).

        “Moreover, the message of free reconciliation with God is not promulgated for one or two days, but is declared to be perpetual in the Church (2 Cor. 5:18, 19). Hence believers have not even to the end of life any other righteousness than that which is there described. Christ ever remains a Mediator to reconcile the Father to us, and there is a perpetual efficacy in his death—viz. ablution, satisfaction, expiation; in short, perfect obedience, by which all our iniquities are covered” (The Calvin Institutes: 3.14.11).

        “Where we land on these issues is perhaps the most significant factor in how we approach our own faith and practice and communicate it to the world. If not only the unregenerate but the regenerate are always dependent at every moment on the free grace of God disclosed in the gospel, then nothing can raise those who are spiritually dead or continually give life to Christ’s flock but the Spirit working through the gospel. When this happens (not just once, but every time we encounter the gospel afresh), the Spirit progressively transforms us into Christ’s image. Start with Christ (that is, the gospel) and you get sanctification in the bargain; begin with Christ and move on to something else, and you lose both” (Michael Horton: Christless Christianity; p. 62).

        “Nor by remission of sins does the Lord only once for all elect and admit us into the Church, but by the same means he preserves and defends us in it. For what would it avail us to receive a pardon of which we were afterwards to have no use? That the mercy of the Lord would be vain and delusive if only granted once, all the godly can bear witness; for there is none who is not conscious, during his whole life, of many infirmities which stand in need of divine mercy. And truly it is not without cause that the Lord promises this gift specially to his own household, nor in vain that he orders the same message of reconciliation to be daily delivered to them” (The Calvin Institutes: 4.1.21).

        “To impart this blessing to us, the keys have been given to the Church (Mt. 16:19; 18:18). For when Christ gave the command to the apostles, and conferred the power of forgiving sins, he not merely intended that they should loose the sins of those who should be converted from impiety to the faith of Christ; but, moreover, that they should perpetually perform this office among believers” (The Calvin Institutes: 4.1.22).

        “Secondly, This benefit is so peculiar to the Church, that we cannot enjoy it unless we continue in the communion of the Church. Thirdly, It is dispensed to us by the ministers and pastors of the Church, either in the preaching of the Gospel or the administration of the Sacraments, and herein is especially manifested the power of the keys, which the Lord has bestowed on the company of the faithful. Accordingly, let each of us consider it to be his duty to seek forgiveness of sins only where the Lord has placed it. Of the public reconciliation which relates to discipline, we shall speak at the proper place” (Ibid).

        “. . . forgiveness of sins is not a matter of a passing work or action, but comes from baptism which is of perpetual duration, until we arise from the dead” (Luther’s Works: American ed.; Philadelphia: Muhlenberg Press; St. Louis: Concordia, 1955, vol. 34, p. 163).

        “On no condition is sin a passing phase, but we are justified daily by the unmerited forgiveness of sins and by the justification of God’s mercy. Sin remains, then, perpetually in this life, until the hour of the last judgment comes and then at last we shall be made perfectly righteous” (Ibid, p.167).

        “For the forgiveness of sins is a continuing divine work, until we die. Sin does not cease. Accordingly, Christ saves us perpetually” (Ibid., p.190).

        “Daily we sin, daily we are continually justified, just as a doctor is forced to heal sickness day by day until it is cured” (Ibid., p.191).

        “We are asking the question, How does the gospel save believers?, not: How does the gospel get people to be believers?”
        ~John Piper

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      • Kenny said, on July 2, 2015 at 12:06 AM

        Those men see salvation as multi-faceted. So not only is it a past event, it is a present and future reality. Those quotes demonstrate the present reality of salvation (being saved). What they are trying to bring out is that we are justified once for all, but that justification continues on through the Christian’s life through death. Therefore, you can appropriately say that Christians are “being saved” through the Gospel. It was not a one time thing that you lost over time, it is the power of God to continue “saving” Christians until the end.

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      • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on July 2, 2015 at 4:49 AM

        Kenny,

        Here at PPT we are very busy and do not have time to partake in intellectual dishonesty. If one still needs salvation, they are not completely saved. If you have been born again, you have all of the salvation that you will ever have. Salvation is a finished work, sanctification is progressive and completely separate. What you are saying is that you do not believe in progressive justification–you believe that we were saved, are being saved, and will finally be saved, but that’s not progressive salvation. Kenny, for all practical purposes you are calling me an idiot with this dialogue. Therefore–you are done here. Lastly, you forgot the big IF in everything you say like all of your Reformed whores and their pontification of “Already–not yet.” You were saved, are being saved, and will be saved IF you continue in letting Jesus obey the law for you, or “Jesus 100% for us.”

        Pearl, Kenny is done here. Block him until hell freezes over. I do not have time to play metaphysical two-step with a Gnostic.

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