Orthodox Religion remembers nothing of Jesus’ teachings, life, actions. It only exalts suffering It glorifies suffering. Their thinking goes: God ordains all suffering. Since Jesus’ suffering was ordained, your suffering is, too.
Pondering, Exactly! Their mantra is Jesus is ‘a suffering Savior’ so we all must follow this example AND SUFFER. That’s abundant life?
All,
So it’s no surprise when they split hairs about what evil is. Joel Carter on t4g spends his time disagreeing on the magnitude of ISIS evil action instead of condemning their evil action he acknowledges they’ve committed.
Anyone want a neighbor interested in parsing out the details of what occurred during an armed robbery instead of jumping to take action to protect/help you or your neighbor?
When someone thinks suffering is ordained by God, don’t be surprised when arm-chair quarterbacking is what you get from them.
Tullian’s book “Glorious Ruin: How Suffering Sets You Free” is Martin Luther’s glory/cross story. “God’s chief concern in your suffering is to be with you and BE HIMSELF FOR YOU.”
“I am seeing how difficult it is to even be friends with people who believe in these doctrines of suffering/hate/death. Is there anything they will not manipulate in order to relieve themselves from taking responsibility for their behavior? One by one they are dropping as if they never new me. What dark days these are. Such hate.”
Debra, Be of good cheer, my friend. I am convinced nothing is harder than to be a Christian around most “Christians” these days.
Not long ago I had an old (Protestant) friend tell me I should expect “evil” from Christians because all Christians have both good and evil in them at all times. She believes this, btw, with all her heart and she was telling me this in reference to a pastor who spiritually abused people.
I saw clearly that was her only choice in her mind to keep her from having to take responsibility for what she believed and supported. It is hard to think, ya know?
My take away? She is not to be trusted. How can I trust Christians who think “evil” Christians are the norm?
“Tullian’s book “Glorious Ruin: How Suffering Sets You Free” is Martin Luther’s glory/cross story. “God’s chief concern in your suffering is to be with you and BE HIMSELF FOR YOU.” ” Carmen S.
Seriously? Suffering sets us free? OMG!!!
Paul, Can I ask a favor?
Can you tweet TT and ask him:
You wrote Suffering Sets You Free book. Suicide bombers worship your God, they make the ultimate sacrifice.
I am stuck at the cross where I first saw the light
But I cannot get away from my sin……”
Ain’t that the truth!
Tullian has a past. “Sex, drugs & rock n roll.” Well, anyone can decide/choose that’s not for them anymore. And good for someone when they change their actions & choose better for themself. But it’s quite another thing to make excuses for it by constantly celebrating how bad you ARE. IMO, that’s exactly what he’s doing.
And it’s an escape hatch or insurance policy for any potential future bad behavior. What did you expect? I’m broken.
The truth is, those are bad choices & you tell people why they’re bad choices (the scars, consequences, etc.) of them & to stay away from those actions & talk about what the good actions are.
Basically, you tell others, you teach others HOW TO LOVE YOURSELF.
paulspassingthoughts said, on August 17, 2014 at 8:17 PM
But yet, I used to suffer at Reformed pastor gatherings listening to them whine and moan like alley cats screaming in the night about, “10% of the church folk doing 90% of the work.” Ya think? I wonder why?
Paul's Passing Thoughts 
…and NOT resurrection.
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Orthodox Religion remembers nothing of Jesus’ teachings, life, actions. It only exalts suffering It glorifies suffering. Their thinking goes: God ordains all suffering. Since Jesus’ suffering was ordained, your suffering is, too.
Pondering, Exactly! Their mantra is Jesus is ‘a suffering Savior’ so we all must follow this example AND SUFFER. That’s abundant life?
All,
So it’s no surprise when they split hairs about what evil is. Joel Carter on t4g spends his time disagreeing on the magnitude of ISIS evil action instead of condemning their evil action he acknowledges they’ve committed.
Anyone want a neighbor interested in parsing out the details of what occurred during an armed robbery instead of jumping to take action to protect/help you or your neighbor?
When someone thinks suffering is ordained by God, don’t be surprised when arm-chair quarterbacking is what you get from them.
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Tullian’s tweets are some of the scariest I have ever seen. The entire page seems dedicated to a celebration of evil, darkness, death…
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Tullian’s book “Glorious Ruin: How Suffering Sets You Free” is Martin Luther’s glory/cross story. “God’s chief concern in your suffering is to be with you and BE HIMSELF FOR YOU.”
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A rendition of an old hymn for Tullian:
I am stuck at the cross where I first saw the light
But I cannot get away from my sin……
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“I am seeing how difficult it is to even be friends with people who believe in these doctrines of suffering/hate/death. Is there anything they will not manipulate in order to relieve themselves from taking responsibility for their behavior? One by one they are dropping as if they never new me. What dark days these are. Such hate.”
Debra, Be of good cheer, my friend. I am convinced nothing is harder than to be a Christian around most “Christians” these days.
Not long ago I had an old (Protestant) friend tell me I should expect “evil” from Christians because all Christians have both good and evil in them at all times. She believes this, btw, with all her heart and she was telling me this in reference to a pastor who spiritually abused people.
I saw clearly that was her only choice in her mind to keep her from having to take responsibility for what she believed and supported. It is hard to think, ya know?
My take away? She is not to be trusted. How can I trust Christians who think “evil” Christians are the norm?
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“Tullian’s tweets are some of the scariest I have ever seen. The entire page seems dedicated to a celebration of evil, darkness, death…” Oasis
Me, too. I’m serious. Very scary. Celebration is right. He celebrates everything not good, not pure, not lovely, not wonderful, not uplifting.
It’s one thing to make bad choice(s). Then the learning & applying (put off & put on) begins.
That’s corrective action to good choices.
It’s another thing to celebrate bad choices & the resulting pain. As if the solution to pain is to suffer well.
That’s evil.
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“Tullian’s book “Glorious Ruin: How Suffering Sets You Free” is Martin Luther’s glory/cross story. “God’s chief concern in your suffering is to be with you and BE HIMSELF FOR YOU.” ” Carmen S.
Seriously? Suffering sets us free? OMG!!!
Paul, Can I ask a favor?
Can you tweet TT and ask him:
You wrote Suffering Sets You Free book. Suicide bombers worship your God, they make the ultimate sacrifice.
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“A rendition of an old hymn for Tullian:
I am stuck at the cross where I first saw the light
But I cannot get away from my sin……”
Ain’t that the truth!
Tullian has a past. “Sex, drugs & rock n roll.” Well, anyone can decide/choose that’s not for them anymore. And good for someone when they change their actions & choose better for themself. But it’s quite another thing to make excuses for it by constantly celebrating how bad you ARE. IMO, that’s exactly what he’s doing.
And it’s an escape hatch or insurance policy for any potential future bad behavior. What did you expect? I’m broken.
The truth is, those are bad choices & you tell people why they’re bad choices (the scars, consequences, etc.) of them & to stay away from those actions & talk about what the good actions are.
Basically, you tell others, you teach others HOW TO LOVE YOURSELF.
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But yet, I used to suffer at Reformed pastor gatherings listening to them whine and moan like alley cats screaming in the night about, “10% of the church folk doing 90% of the work.” Ya think? I wonder why?
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