lydiasellerofpurple said, on February 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM
“GRR, Put aside whatever you want to call what you believe, for a moment. It looks like you believe teaching belongs to an authority in a spiritual hierarchy. And it is the only right way to teach Jesus.”
A mom, So Randy responds with: You would be wrong again.
But what you said is exactly what Randy communicated here with his words. Can he not communicate with words what he really means? He makes declarative statements on this issue that communicate what you said above but now claims you have it wrong.
And this is where I say the entire process of engaging them is a waste of time. It is a back hole. The problem is this stuff worked well when the peasants were not allowed to question, analyze or disagree. Before the internet in their little kingdoms of authority/submission, they had a great gig.
lydiasellerofpurple said, on February 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM
“What I said is that he is not yet equipped to teach theology.”
Yep, there is a difference. Study/teaching ABOUT God or teaching that comes because YOU KNOW CHRIST.
Too many out there teaching the former and getting it very wrong in the process. Calvin, the murderer and tyrant taught ABOUT God. And got it very wrong because he did not KNOW Him.
lydiasellerofpurple said, on February 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM
“It is quite clear you and I play better in separate rooms, in our case different countries. I think we would do better if you would at least try to understand my statements instead of twisting them for your own purposes”
Randy, I suggest you learn to communicate what you really mean. You guys always want to blame the listener/reader for purposely not understanding or we don’t have the ability to understand you. . It is a tenant of that movement. Seen it all over that movement on blogs, in person, etc, etc.
lydiasellerofpurple said, on February 15, 2014 at 11:24 AM
Paul, I think it would behoove us all to understand that Calvinism has very cultic tenants. Yes, they manifest themselves in a myriad ways. One is that it is predicated upon “authority”. Forget relationship or love. It is all about power/authority from God to the human leader. Divine right of kings is the thinking. Passed onto God equips the guy with the title/position to lead the ignorant masses.
If you don’t agree with them, then automatically you are labeled as one who does not think God is powerful. A Pelagian or Open Theist. They do love their heretic labels.
So it is religion that is more about manipulation than “relationship/love” and takes away our responsibility to God and to each other. Worms cannot be responsible.
GRR said, “There is a vast difference between being biblical and being equipped to teach theology. Simple because a person may teach well by his example doesn’t mean he has the gift of teaching. The logical inference of the apostle’s statement that God has gifted some as teachers is that he has not given others that gift. If everyone has that gift, why mention it? “4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function,
5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;
7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching;
8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.” (Rom 12:4-8).
Every believer is equal to every other believer in his/standing before God, but all are not the same in their functions and abilities. If every member were a mouth, the church would be blind.”
GR Randy, The difference is you conform scripture to what you want to believe about authority. Authority seems to be your bottom line. Tsk, tsk.
You used this scripture to defend your “not everyone is a teacher/leader/ruler/authority” belief. Please read the whole passage. According to you then, not everyone should exhort, not everyone should contribute, & only some should do acts of mercy, with cheerfulness. How silly!
What these verses are saying is to do these acts of service, how to do them, do them well & grow. A person doesn’t teach & show zero mercy because that’s their “role”, or vice versa, silly. Give me a break. You have departed from reality.
GRR wants us to believe that his “brand/type/method” of spiritual control is THE right one. It doesn’t really matter what he wants us to call his system of belief.
Randy mentions disciples to back up his brand of spiritual authority. Were the disciples neck deep in discussion of their authority over others? Were they busy setting up rulers?
GR Randy clarified what he meant by Christ-like. His definition of Christ-likeness is someone who knows how to suffer & be thankful for the suffering. GR Randy said he doesn’t have that down as well as his friend.
Make no mistake. He proclaims suffering is good & God-ordained. He just not that into it for himself……
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“GRR, Put aside whatever you want to call what you believe, for a moment. It looks like you believe teaching belongs to an authority in a spiritual hierarchy. And it is the only right way to teach Jesus.”
A mom, So Randy responds with: You would be wrong again.
But what you said is exactly what Randy communicated here with his words. Can he not communicate with words what he really means? He makes declarative statements on this issue that communicate what you said above but now claims you have it wrong.
And this is where I say the entire process of engaging them is a waste of time. It is a back hole. The problem is this stuff worked well when the peasants were not allowed to question, analyze or disagree. Before the internet in their little kingdoms of authority/submission, they had a great gig.
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“What I said is that he is not yet equipped to teach theology.”
Yep, there is a difference. Study/teaching ABOUT God or teaching that comes because YOU KNOW CHRIST.
Too many out there teaching the former and getting it very wrong in the process. Calvin, the murderer and tyrant taught ABOUT God. And got it very wrong because he did not KNOW Him.
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“It is quite clear you and I play better in separate rooms, in our case different countries. I think we would do better if you would at least try to understand my statements instead of twisting them for your own purposes”
Randy, I suggest you learn to communicate what you really mean. You guys always want to blame the listener/reader for purposely not understanding or we don’t have the ability to understand you. . It is a tenant of that movement. Seen it all over that movement on blogs, in person, etc, etc.
Do you have any idea how narcissistic that is?
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Paul, Without the concept of “authority”, their “religion” would wither and die.
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Always glad to assist a member of the peasantry.
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Yes O’ great one.
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Paul, I think it would behoove us all to understand that Calvinism has very cultic tenants. Yes, they manifest themselves in a myriad ways. One is that it is predicated upon “authority”. Forget relationship or love. It is all about power/authority from God to the human leader. Divine right of kings is the thinking. Passed onto God equips the guy with the title/position to lead the ignorant masses.
If you don’t agree with them, then automatically you are labeled as one who does not think God is powerful. A Pelagian or Open Theist. They do love their heretic labels.
So it is religion that is more about manipulation than “relationship/love” and takes away our responsibility to God and to each other. Worms cannot be responsible.
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GRR said, “There is a vast difference between being biblical and being equipped to teach theology. Simple because a person may teach well by his example doesn’t mean he has the gift of teaching. The logical inference of the apostle’s statement that God has gifted some as teachers is that he has not given others that gift. If everyone has that gift, why mention it? “4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function,
5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;
7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching;
8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.” (Rom 12:4-8).
Every believer is equal to every other believer in his/standing before God, but all are not the same in their functions and abilities. If every member were a mouth, the church would be blind.”
GR Randy, The difference is you conform scripture to what you want to believe about authority. Authority seems to be your bottom line. Tsk, tsk.
You used this scripture to defend your “not everyone is a teacher/leader/ruler/authority” belief. Please read the whole passage. According to you then, not everyone should exhort, not everyone should contribute, & only some should do acts of mercy, with cheerfulness. How silly!
What these verses are saying is to do these acts of service, how to do them, do them well & grow. A person doesn’t teach & show zero mercy because that’s their “role”, or vice versa, silly. Give me a break. You have departed from reality.
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GRR wants us to believe that his “brand/type/method” of spiritual control is THE right one. It doesn’t really matter what he wants us to call his system of belief.
Randy mentions disciples to back up his brand of spiritual authority. Were the disciples neck deep in discussion of their authority over others? Were they busy setting up rulers?
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GR Randy clarified what he meant by Christ-like. His definition of Christ-likeness is someone who knows how to suffer & be thankful for the suffering. GR Randy said he doesn’t have that down as well as his friend.
Make no mistake. He proclaims suffering is good & God-ordained. He just not that into it for himself……
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yep.
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