There is a vast difference between being biblical and being equipped to teach theology. Simple because a person may teach well by his example doesn’t mean he has the gift of teaching. The logical inference of the apostle’s statement that God has gifted some as teachers is that he has not given others that gift. If everyone has that gift, why mention it? “4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function,
5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;
7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching;
8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.” (Rom 12:4-8).
Every believer is equal to every other believer in his/standing before God, but all are not the same in their functions and abilities. If every member were a mouth, the church would be blind.
Just so everyone knows, I will not respond to Argo because he and I don’t share a common basis of authority [and my foundation is not the utterances of illuminated mystic priests]. Suffice it to say that I regard him and all his incoherent babbling as insanity.
“The logical fallacy you present is the notion one can only learn in a sterile, note taking, lecturing, “I will tell you what to think” environment. Learning from one who is authority to another under the authority. That is the big mistake in your belief system. Learning is wooden, prevents critical thinking, and one only knows what they’ve been told. You can’t be making a bigger mistake than that when it comes to learning, IMO.”
Why don’t you ask me if that is what I think instead of stating yet more unwarranted assumptions? If you knew me, you would understand that those are not my assumptions at all.
It is quite clear you and I play better in separate rooms, in our case different countries. I think we would do better if you would at least try to understand my statements instead of twisting them for your own purposes.
paulspassingthoughts said, on February 15, 2014 at 10:56 AM
Oh thank you great one for correcting my Medieval grammar. Surely it is now shown that your great knowledge abundantly surpasses that of the spiritual peasantry.
lydiasellerofpurple said, on February 15, 2014 at 10:56 AM
“Again, this is by design. Randy is the consummate Calvinist. His answer is ALWAYS the same: God hasn’t given you the grace to perceive. Agreement with Randy is the only real “proof” that you have God’s truth. ”
Argo, I have been doing this way too long. It took me a few years to catch onto this reading YRR/NeoCal/NCT/REformed blogs. Mostly pastors or wanna be pastors.
Oh boy the pattern! Circular thinking leading folks right down into the black hole whre they cannot get out. Redefining words/concepts is also a tactic. Claiming the other party has misunderstood or does not hold the special decoder ring, etc. It is amazing how many of us fell for this for a while. But the reality is that too many people, like me, strive to find “agreement” and end up throwing out “reason” for some fake unity. I no longer fall for that. I don’t want to be in that club.
I do think the process of reading these guys over the years and seeing the same tactics/methods/patterns has been educational. I will give them this: They are tenacious in their black hole mystic debates.
paulspassingthoughts said, on February 15, 2014 at 11:06 AM
Lydia, an article is on my list concerning the pattern I have seen here for three years that is clear: they come here and make statements with no argument–proclamations that assume authority. And in fact, many simply wait for the big dogs to respond to challenges. No sourcing or argument necessary, only the mere fact that they said it. VERY SCARY.
Randy believes teaching can only be done by someone with appointed authority or position. Randy won’t admit he could ever learn a spiritual lesson from a child, because a child has zero “authority” over him.
To believe this way marginalizes Christ-likeness. My very first comment stated that in a spiritual hierarchy system, beliefs are based on power/control/authority/hierarchy of someone over someone else. A higher value is often placed on learned theological leaders (even if more Satan-like than Christ-like) over an uneducated fisherman who is Christ-like. Frankly, those are the ones who often want to rule & often are chosen to rule, teach & be in authority over you. History speaks loudly. Christ-likeness isn’t the goal in a spiritual “I’m above you” hierarchy.
Paul's Passing Thoughts 
There is a vast difference between being biblical and being equipped to teach theology. Simple because a person may teach well by his example doesn’t mean he has the gift of teaching. The logical inference of the apostle’s statement that God has gifted some as teachers is that he has not given others that gift. If everyone has that gift, why mention it? “4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function,
5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith;
7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching;
8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.” (Rom 12:4-8).
Every believer is equal to every other believer in his/standing before God, but all are not the same in their functions and abilities. If every member were a mouth, the church would be blind.
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Just so everyone knows, I will not respond to Argo because he and I don’t share a common basis of authority [and my foundation is not the utterances of illuminated mystic priests]. Suffice it to say that I regard him and all his incoherent babbling as insanity.
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A Mom,
“The logical fallacy you present is the notion one can only learn in a sterile, note taking, lecturing, “I will tell you what to think” environment. Learning from one who is authority to another under the authority. That is the big mistake in your belief system. Learning is wooden, prevents critical thinking, and one only knows what they’ve been told. You can’t be making a bigger mistake than that when it comes to learning, IMO.”
Why don’t you ask me if that is what I think instead of stating yet more unwarranted assumptions? If you knew me, you would understand that those are not my assumptions at all.
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Lydia,
It is quite clear you and I play better in separate rooms, in our case different countries. I think we would do better if you would at least try to understand my statements instead of twisting them for your own purposes.
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Role-a customary function or position.
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Ok Randy, my readers requested that I not censor you, But i have to believe that might change after today–you are a mess.
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Perhaps it would help if you would respond to what I write and not to what you imagine that I think.
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I tremble at thou unction.
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Ok, I have the TANC staff working on the T-Shirt.
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That probably should be “thy” unction.
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Oh thank you great one for correcting my Medieval grammar. Surely it is now shown that your great knowledge abundantly surpasses that of the spiritual peasantry.
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“Again, this is by design. Randy is the consummate Calvinist. His answer is ALWAYS the same: God hasn’t given you the grace to perceive. Agreement with Randy is the only real “proof” that you have God’s truth. ”
Argo, I have been doing this way too long. It took me a few years to catch onto this reading YRR/NeoCal/NCT/REformed blogs. Mostly pastors or wanna be pastors.
Oh boy the pattern! Circular thinking leading folks right down into the black hole whre they cannot get out. Redefining words/concepts is also a tactic. Claiming the other party has misunderstood or does not hold the special decoder ring, etc. It is amazing how many of us fell for this for a while. But the reality is that too many people, like me, strive to find “agreement” and end up throwing out “reason” for some fake unity. I no longer fall for that. I don’t want to be in that club.
I do think the process of reading these guys over the years and seeing the same tactics/methods/patterns has been educational. I will give them this: They are tenacious in their black hole mystic debates.
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Lydia, an article is on my list concerning the pattern I have seen here for three years that is clear: they come here and make statements with no argument–proclamations that assume authority. And in fact, many simply wait for the big dogs to respond to challenges. No sourcing or argument necessary, only the mere fact that they said it. VERY SCARY.
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…is this why this simple poster has struck such a nerve?
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Randy believes teaching can only be done by someone with appointed authority or position. Randy won’t admit he could ever learn a spiritual lesson from a child, because a child has zero “authority” over him.
To believe this way marginalizes Christ-likeness. My very first comment stated that in a spiritual hierarchy system, beliefs are based on power/control/authority/hierarchy of someone over someone else. A higher value is often placed on learned theological leaders (even if more Satan-like than Christ-like) over an uneducated fisherman who is Christ-like. Frankly, those are the ones who often want to rule & often are chosen to rule, teach & be in authority over you. History speaks loudly. Christ-likeness isn’t the goal in a spiritual “I’m above you” hierarchy.
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