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Do New Calvinist Elders Believe They are Salvific Mediators Between Us and God?

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on October 3, 2013

ppt-jpeg4While some continually comment here at PPT that they can’t understand a thing John Immel and I write, they understand more than they realize. And some advice: not understanding a teaching A-Z doesn’t  = “don’t understand it.” Focus on the elements that you do understand and add it to your knowledge. Those are building blocks used to build something; specifically, knowledge.

Also, say that John and I are diving way deep to look for sharks, and you see one swimming around the boat. That’s the experience I had yesterday when it was brought to my attention that New Calvinist elders are now plainly stating that they = “local church” and the “authority” of the local church. But the way the reader explained it was simple and profound:

“I thought there is only one mediator between God and man?”

Bingo. “But Paul, can we really say that New Calvinist elders think they are salvific mediators between us and God?”

ABSOLUTLEY.

New Calvinism is a return to the authentic Reformed gospel. Because Augustine, Gregory, Luther, and Calvin were Platonists and didn’t interpret reality with the grammatical normative, Protestants migrate away from Reformed authenticity into a hybrid, or light form of the original. That is why today, you have historical grammatical Calvinists (Jay Adams et al), and historical redemptive Calvinists (John Piper et al). It all boils down to mystical (mystical doctrines are always married to tyranny because it presumes the masses cannot understand reality) Calvinism and objective Calvinism. The latter retains contradictory vestiges of the former; primarily, sound soteriology, combined with Augustinian eschatology. You don’t have to understand all of these terms; simply file the concept away in your mind. The concept is a simple one.

The Reformation was really nothing more than the same Gnosticism (Gnosis: secret or lofty knowledge) that has plagued God’s people from the cradle of civilization. The Catholic Church was born of the Gnosticism that wreaked havoc on the first century church. Much of the New Testament is written with Gnosticism as a backdrop. Augustine et al were always Catholics and never left the foundations of the Catholic Church. I believe the present-day landscape of the church is absolutely identical to what was going on in the first century except for the technology.

Part and parcel with Gnosticism is the idea of the spiritual elite mediating between the masses and God; in particular, the salvific part (because the masses cannot comprehend reality). Augustine believed that one could not know for certain if they were saved or not, but posited the idea that your best shot is obedience to the institutional church. This is deep within the psyche of Western thought, and why there is so much money in religion. The American landscape is saturated by churches with $500,000 yearly budgets because that is where salvation is found—no matter how you live. Give at the office, and live any way you want to during the week.

And that’s why the Reformation also distorts the Trinity. The Trinity is applicable truth. Sometimes we look at the Trinity as One for certain applications, and sometimes we make the separate distinctions for other applications. In regard to mediation, God must be Father and Son must be mediator. The Reformed gospel makes Father and Son the same and elders the mediators. But there is only “one” mediator.

Like I said, New Calvinism is a return to the authentic Reformed gospel. Calvin et al clearly believed in the authority of elders to forgive sins on earth in God’s behalf:

Wherefore, our initiation into the fellowship of the church is, by the symbol of ablution, to teach us that we have no admission into the family of God, unless by his goodness our impurities are previously washed away (20).

Nor by remission of sins does the Lord only once for all elect and admit us into the Church, but by the same means he preserves and defends us in it. For what would it avail us to receive a pardon of which we were afterwards to have no use? That the mercy of the Lord would be vain and delusive if only granted once, all the godly can bear witness; for there is none who is not conscious, during his whole life, of many infirmities which stand in need of divine mercy. And truly it is not without cause that the Lord promises this gift specially to his own household, nor in vain that he orders the same message of reconciliation to be daily delivered to them.

On the other hand, the Lord has called his people to eternal salvation, and therefore they ought to consider that pardon for their sins is always ready. Hence let us surely hold that if we are admitted and ingrafted into the body of the Church, the forgiveness of sins has been bestowed, and is daily bestowed on us, in divine liberality, through the intervention of Christ’s merits, and the sanctification of the Spirit.

22. To impart this blessing to us, the keys have been given to the Church (Mt. 16:19; 18:18). For when Christ gave the command to the apostles, and conferred the power of forgiving sins, he not merely intended that they should loose the sins of those who should be converted from impiety to the faith of Christ; but, moreover, that they should perpetually perform this office among believers. This Paul teaches, when he says that the embassy of reconciliation has been committed to the ministers of the Church, that they may ever and anon in the name of Christ exhort the people to be reconciled to God (2 Cor. 5:20). Therefore, in the communion of saints our sins are constantly forgiven by the ministry of the Church, when presbyters or bishops, to whom the office has been committed, confirm pious consciences, in the hope of pardon and forgiveness by the promises of the gospel, and that as well in public as in private, as the case requires. For there are many who, from their infirmity, stand in need of special pacification, and Paul declares that he testified of the grace of Christ not only in the public assembly, but from house to house, reminding each individually of the doctrine of salvation (Acts 20:20, 21). Three things are here to be observed. First, Whatever be the holiness which the children of God possess, it is always under the condition, that so long as they dwell in a mortal body, they cannot stand before God without forgiveness of sins. Secondly, This benefit is so peculiar to the Church, that we cannot enjoy it unless we continue in the communion of the Church. Thirdly, It is dispensed to us by the ministers and pastors of the Church, either in the preaching of the Gospel or the administration of the Sacraments, and herein is especially manifested the power of the keys, which the Lord has bestowed on the company of the faithful. Accordingly, let each of us consider it to be his duty to seek forgiveness of sins only where the Lord has placed it. Of the public reconciliation which relates to discipline, we shall speak at the proper place (Calvin Institutes 4.1.20-22).

In contrast, the apostle Paul said there is only ONE mediator, and made a clear distinction of terms between “mediator” and “teacher”:

1 Timothy 2:5 – For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. 7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a true and faithful teacher of the Gentiles.

When is the discernment blogosphere going to hunker down on this simple concept and demand that those who play both sides of the fence clarify their position on this? And why is it important? Because the idea of mediators other than Christ always leads to tyranny. Mysticism is the mother because it presupposes a truth/reality beyond the five senses that the masses cannot understand. It is anti-grammatical, and posits a redemptive stargate. Grammatical rules are merely guardrails, and empirically hinder orthodoxy on God’s behalf. Grammatical interpretation empowers the individual.

This was the forte of the first century Nicolaitans, which means, “power over the laity.” And this is exactly where we find ourselves today—history repeating itself.

paul

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  1. Mark's avatar Mark said, on October 3, 2013 at 4:58 PM

    What is bothersome to me isn’t so much Geneva Style crops up every 5 years, its the fact that many of us aren’t even aware that it existed in the first place.

    Why is that?

    I don’t think existing Non-Geneva Style Denominations, Preachers and Churches have done enough to explain different Methodologies.

    Now that we know that it is spreading to unsuspecting churches, how can these churches deal with it before those churches divide?

    I don’t take issue so much with Geneva Style Preachers and Congregations who want to embrace this stuff as long as their Congregations are aware of it and truly understand it and keep it in house.

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  2. lydiasellerofpurple's avatar lydiasellerofpurple said, on October 3, 2013 at 9:02 PM

    Mark, P

    aul is right. It is about “truth”. And how can there be truth when there is deception involved? And let’s face it, that movement is all about deception because they have truth but we are too ignorant to know it. The irony is two fold. They teach total depravity/inability but expect you to listen to THEM. Aren’t they totally depraved even after salvation like you? the other part is they teach this WHILE deceiving people so it gives them a pass. They cannot see how they live in constant cognitive dissonance.

    I found it maddening when I was studying Calvinism. In fact, it was the history that got to me in the long run and made the truth of what I was reading so obvious I could no longer ignore it. Once you figure it out, it becomes easier and easier to to recognize faster and deal with. That is why they HATE talking to us and end up using mainly ad hominem arguments or they try to proof text you to death.

    A big piece missing besides what you have mentioned (love) is the Holy Spirit. This must be played down or people might become independent. But the truth is that is the MAIN part of a believers life.

    A mom is right….it is a grand hoax. And if you look at how the Determinist god played out in history start with the Dark Ages (ushered in by Augustine) to Luther (kill the peasants and Jews!), Geneva (burn Servetus), to Netherlands to South Africa to Puritans to the slave owners of the South.

    What plays out in this history? EVIL in the Name of Jesus. It is insidious and they try hard to play it down.

    What happened to the Puritans as one example? For the most part, their descendants became Unitarians. It is easy to see why. I always get a kick out of reminding them that the womanizer/reprobate Aaron Burr is the grandson of their homeboy Jonathan Edwards. :o) What happened to “Covenant families”?

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  3. lydiasellerofpurple's avatar lydiasellerofpurple said, on October 3, 2013 at 9:09 PM

    “This metastasized superiority is what we see in Obama. This is the same metastasized superiority coming out of the New Calvinist movement. The philosophy tells them that the correct expression of government is for the superior people to rule the inferior.”

    I cannot for the life of me figure out why people do not see through it after a while. For example, Obama is talking like Congress works for him. Anyone else seeing this? I mean this is extra extra scary. Why is no one IN CONGRESS calling him out on it? Because of race? Not enough Americans are catching on to it.

    But then, the YRR pastor acts like everyone is ignorant but him. He has been told he is superior in knowledge. He is convinced of it. And any means necessary to teach this truth must happen. And it is not only teaching it but they get to decide if you are spiritually healthy. The new term is “Soul Physician”. It is like 9Marks keys to the kingdom stuff. Very “Puritan” in nature.

    I think we are headed to the Dark Ages, too. Truth be told, I am thinking a less fundamentalist society might be better. The WORST thing we can do is try to make government “Christian”. I know you guys will get what I mean.

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  4. Anon's avatar Anon said, on October 4, 2013 at 8:24 AM

    I believe you that Augustine said that we cannot know for certain that we are saved (I know I am saved, 1 John 5:13). And then you said, basically that Augustine said that we must cling to the church hierarchy to have the greatest assurance. I believe you, that Augustine said these things.

    But can you show me where he said them? Because in calvinism and arminianism, you are told to cling to whatever the church says, to have assurance. They both teach that (which is why I reject both).

    In advancing my argument against both, I sure would like to know where Augustine said it. You would be surprised how many arminians quote Augustine too.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on October 4, 2013 at 8:28 AM

      Anon,

      I will get it for you, but in the interim, you may check out Susan’s lecture on Auggie at the 2013 Conference, i think she addresses that specifically.

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  5. Anon's avatar Anon said, on October 4, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    Thank you, I will try and find the lecture, but I will also check back to see if you posted it here in text. Not that I am lazy, well sometime I am.

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  6. Lydia's avatar Lydia said, on October 4, 2013 at 9:06 AM

    “What is bothersome to me isn’t so much Geneva Style crops up every 5 years, its the fact that many of us aren’t even aware that it existed in the first place.”

    Mark, You may also want to check out “Quiet Revolution” by Ernest Riesinger which can be found on the SBC Founders site. Pay attention to chapter 4 which teaches how to take a church Calvinist without them knowing it. The book is on the site.

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  7. lydiasellerofpurple's avatar lydiasellerofpurple said, on October 4, 2013 at 7:26 PM

    Something else about Augustine folks need to remember. he set himself up as this great teacher but he could not read or write Greek. Some of his interpretations of parables are downright ridiculous.

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