Gospel Sanctification and Sonship’s Gospel-Driven Genealogy, Part 11: Walter Chantry’s Suffering
One day I hope to meet him. Soon, it would be like those meetings we used to see on Oprah where people who have suffered the same type of traumas meet to share their experiences. In fact, there are clubs all over the country where people meet to do just that. It’s like they have always known each other, and the very first meetings are filled with tears and hugging. Whether it’s the My Poodle Was Slain by a Pitbull in Front of My Eyes Club or some other club of trauma, the reunions seem to be a healing balm of some sort.
Chantry and I could start our own club for those who are traumatized by debating proponents of New Covenant Theology. Chantry tried to destroy the evil child soon after it was delivered and wasn’t yet named ( http://wp.me/pmd7S-Ld ). Apparently, survivors of Chantry’s onslaught split from Reformed Baptist into a meager fellowship called Continental Baptist. New Covenant Theology (NCT) is based on the Australian Forum’s centrality of the objective gospel (COG) which found new life in Sonship Theology and is now a gargantuan movement known as New Calvinism. Chantry’s bantering back and forth with one of two patriarchs of NCT, Jon Zens, is well documented and exhausting. One example can be seen here: http://solochristo.com/theology/nct/zens-chantry.htm .
Method 1: Annoying, and repetitious oversimplified denial.
Chantry, knowing that NCT hacks like to confuse and wear down their opponents with an endless flogging of residual issues, rightly focused on the fact that it all boils down to Antinomianism. The very annoying way in which Zens debates can be seen clearly in present-day COG proponents; for example, “Show me one reference where I have ever written that I am an Antinomian you slanderer!” Chantry’s reply usually followed along these lines: “For substantiation of what I have to say, I could quote almost the entirety of the articles that you [Zens] have printed in ‘Baptist Reformation Review.'” Further, he [Chantry] viewed my [Zens] pleas for documentation as “quibbling about words, a mere strife about terminology that has no point to it.”
Method 2: Rewrite traditional meaning.
COG proponents are very sensitive to the Antinomian charge, so they continually attempt to rewrite the English language and church history to avoid the accusation. Recent articles by Tullian Tchividjian and Elyse Fitzpatrick deny that there is any such thing as Antinomianism. They also try to replace the word “antinomianism” with what they call “neonomianism (“new legalism” as opposed to “anti-law”). Likewise, “obedience” (we obey) is replaced with “new obedience” (Jesus obeyed in our place as part of the atonement, and apparently still obeys for us via the imputed active obedience of Christ). Sanctification is now “progressive sanctification” which is nothing more than the unfolding of our justification via John Piper’s “beholding as a way of becoming.” Of course, he includes “….a way….” so if he’s confronted he can say that he’s talking about contemplative spirituality being just one of many avenues while assuring us that he believes in “obedience.” But of course, he’s really talking about “New Obedience.”
Method 3: Fake contentions against supposedly contrary beliefs.
COG proponents contend against many other belief systems as a way to appear like standguards for orthodox truth. Often, the “contrary” beliefs are very similar to their own. An assistant to DA Carson recently wrote a book on Keswick theology, which has many similarities to COG. Carson also disses Keswick theology on a routine bases, but according to one article:
“Beginning in the 1920s, the Keswick Convention’s view of sanctification began to shift from the view promoted by the leaders of the early convention. William Graham Scroggie (1877–1958) led that transformation to a view of sanctification closer to the Reformed view. Today its speakers include people like D. A. Carson and Sinclair Ferguson, whose views on the Christian life differ significantly from the Keswick Convention’s first generation.” http://ccclh.org/blog/?p=1234
….But apparently, not the second generation of Keswick theology. One of their (COG proponents) favorite targets is postmodernism or the Emergent Church who they share like philosophies with. I go into detail on this subject here: http://wp.me/pmd7S-Lk
Method 4: Quote other leaders who have written against COG-like doctrines.
JC Ryle wrote extensively on doctrines that distorted biblical sanctification, and many of them were very similar to New Calvinism and NCT. In fact, such doctrines that were running about in his day inspired his famous “Scriptural Holiness” which is considered to be one of the best works on Christian living ever written. The introduction outlines seven elements of Quietist type doctrines that fit Gospel Sanctification to a T. Therefore, COG proponents like Kevin Deyoung now quote Ryle extensively. A proponent of NCT has recently sent me emails that contain excerpts from Scriptural Holiness that seem to indicate Ryle supported a synthesis of justification and sanctification, and asked me to post them. Only problem is, I am very familiar with Ryles writings and find the suggestion preposterous. Knowing what I know about Ryle’s theological positions, I assume the quotes pertain to a contention against those who believe that sanctification is a much lesser concern than justification. This doesn’t mean Ryle believed they are exactly the same in essence as the proponent implied.
Mix those four methods with an attitude that is driven by a belief that God is using them to orchestrate a “second reformation” (I’m not joking), and the same kind of confidence the apostle Paul mentioned about the false teachers he contended with, and what you have is a serious Excedrin headache. With that said, one remembers what Jay Adams said about Quietist type doctrines: they will “ruin people’s lives.” He also said Gospel Sanctification is “dangerous and must be stopped.” No doubt—so the fight continues.
paul

BTW, I think you need to ask my forgiveness for accusing me of producing bogus quotations. You didn’t think they were real until you realized you had no answer for them, then you decided they were orthodox. Yes they are, but they are a direct contradiction of your statement that you don’t need the gospel anymore. I am beginning to believe you need the gospel more than you can imagine.
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Just wondering if you have ever considered the idea of actually having a theological conversation with someone who disagrees with you that involves your response to an argument with which you are presented. Or, do you just ignore people and hope they will go away?
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Um, excuse me, but are page your references regrading the text file or the pdf?
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Here is another quote from your buddy J.C. I think I remember you castigating me and others for talking about being sinners. How do you feel about what J.C. wrote? “The more light we have, the more we shall see our own imperfection. Sinners we were when we began, sinners we shall find ourselves as we go on; renewed, pardoned, justified—yet sinners to the very last. Our absolute perfection is yet to come, and the expectation of it is one reason why we should long for heaven.” Holiness p 41 paragraph 2 # (5).
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Paul,
I just reread Ryle’s introduction and found no contradiction between what he wrote there and the quotes I posted. Do you not understand there is a difference between saying “sanctification is by faith” and “sanctification is by faith ALONE?” Try to focus and understand what people are actually saying, not on what you imagine they are saying. I know you won’t have as many imaginary heretics to fight, but you won’t be guilty of disobedience to the Scripture by lying about your brethren either.
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No contradictions? Shocking.
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Um, excuse me, but are your page references regrading the text file or the pdf?
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PDF. You must have a nervous twitch in your finger.
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Yawn.
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You were the one who thought there would be a contradiction if he had actually written what I cited.
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I guess you opted not to ask my forgiveness. You lithonomians are all alike.
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Lithonomians? Thanks, another of what Ryle called “newfangled phraseology.”
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You need to define what you mean by “gospel” before I can answer your questions. What I believe and I believe Ryle believed is that we don’t get beyond the need for Christ’s redeeming work in our Christian life. SInce the gospel describes that work, we don’t get beyond our need for the gospel either. The law does not motivate me to love God; the gospel does.
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I believe I defined gospel as Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. You believe that progression in sanctification can only come from gratitude from re-visiting the gospel in a (as Tullian T. states it) “deeper and deeper” way.Your use of “The law does not motivate me to love God; the gospel does” is a classic Sonship/GS red herring. No Evangelical ever said the law is the motivator; our love/duty/devotion for Christ is, but it just so happens that our Lord said: “If you love me, keep my commandments.” You teach that Jesus really said: “If you love me, you WILL keep my commandments and the only way you can love me enough to obey is to contemplate what I have done for you and then you will be full of gratitude and always want to obey.And that’s how you will know that it is obedience that I accept–if it’s done out of gratitude.” That’s what you think Jesus said.It’s contemplative spirituality with the gospel as the object.
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BTW,
I spoke yesterday on the differences between justification and sanctification. I did not “cherry pick” anything. I did not miss a single distinction that Ryle makes in his book. I didn’t need to because I agree with him.
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There is no question that believers must follow Christ’s example, obey his instructions etc. Do I think that is what Ryle was talking about in these citations? NO! If you really want to have an intellectual discussion, that will require you to read what I write and react to that, not to what you think I must mean. You can only know what I believe by reading my actual statements, not what you want to read into my statements. Why don’t you give me exegetical examples of the model you propose (obedience (I take it you are speaking of your personal obedience)-blessing–doxology), and I will see if I can find examples of the gratitude-doxology-obedience model. What I believe is that the redemptive work of Christ does not obviate our obedience; it motivates our obedience.
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