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Gospel Sanctification and Sonship’s Gospel-Driven Genealogy, Part 11: Walter Chantry’s Suffering

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on June 29, 2011

One day I hope to meet him. Soon, it would be like those meetings we used to see on Oprah where people who have suffered the same type of traumas meet to share their experiences. In fact, there are clubs all over the country where people meet to do just that. It’s like they have always known each other, and the very first meetings are filled with tears and hugging. Whether it’s the My Poodle Was Slain by a Pitbull in Front of My Eyes Club or some other club of trauma, the reunions seem to be a healing balm of some sort.

Chantry and I could start our own club for those who are traumatized by debating proponents of New Covenant Theology. Chantry tried to destroy the evil child soon after it was delivered and wasn’t yet named ( http://wp.me/pmd7S-Ld ). Apparently, survivors of Chantry’s onslaught split from Reformed Baptist into a meager fellowship called Continental Baptist. New Covenant Theology (NCT) is based on the Australian Forum’s centrality of the objective gospel (COG) which found new life in Sonship Theology and is now a gargantuan movement known as New Calvinism. Chantry’s bantering back and forth with one of two patriarchs of NCT, Jon Zens, is well documented and exhausting. One example can be seen here: http://solochristo.com/theology/nct/zens-chantry.htm .

Method 1: Annoying, and repetitious oversimplified denial.

Chantry, knowing that NCT hacks like to confuse and wear down their opponents with an endless flogging  of residual issues, rightly focused on the fact that it all boils down to Antinomianism. The very annoying way in which Zens debates can be seen clearly in present-day COG proponents; for example, “Show me one reference where I have ever written that I am an Antinomian you slanderer!” Chantry’s reply usually followed along these lines: “For substantiation of what I have to say, I could quote almost the entirety of the articles that you [Zens] have printed in ‘Baptist Reformation Review.'” Further, he [Chantry] viewed my [Zens] pleas for documentation as “quibbling about words, a mere strife about terminology that has no point to it.”

Method 2: Rewrite traditional meaning.

COG proponents are very sensitive to the Antinomian charge, so they continually attempt to rewrite the English language and church history to avoid the accusation. Recent articles by Tullian Tchividjian and Elyse Fitzpatrick deny that there is any such thing as Antinomianism. They also try to replace the word “antinomianism” with what they call “neonomianism (“new legalism” as opposed to “anti-law”). Likewise, “obedience” (we obey) is replaced with “new obedience” (Jesus obeyed in our place as part of the atonement, and apparently still obeys for us via the imputed active obedience of Christ). Sanctification is now “progressive sanctification” which is nothing more than the unfolding of our justification via John Piper’s “beholding as a way of becoming.” Of course, he includes “….a way….” so if he’s confronted he can say that he’s talking about contemplative spirituality being just one of many avenues while assuring us that he believes in “obedience.” But of course, he’s really talking about “New Obedience.”

Method 3: Fake contentions against supposedly contrary beliefs.

COG proponents contend against many other belief systems as a way to appear like standguards for orthodox truth. Often, the “contrary” beliefs are very similar to their own. An assistant to DA Carson recently wrote a book on Keswick theology, which has many similarities to COG. Carson also disses Keswick theology on a routine bases, but according to one article:

“Beginning in the 1920s, the Keswick Convention’s view of sanctification began to shift from the view promoted by the leaders of the early convention. William Graham Scroggie (1877–1958) led that transformation to a view of sanctification closer to the Reformed view. Today its speakers include people like D. A. Carson and Sinclair Ferguson, whose views on the Christian life differ significantly from the Keswick Convention’s first generation.” http://ccclh.org/blog/?p=1234

….But apparently, not the second generation of Keswick theology. One of  their (COG proponents) favorite targets is postmodernism or the Emergent Church who they share like philosophies with. I go into detail on this subject here: http://wp.me/pmd7S-Lk

Method 4: Quote other leaders who have written against COG-like doctrines.

JC Ryle wrote extensively on doctrines that distorted biblical sanctification, and many of them were very similar to New Calvinism and NCT. In fact, such doctrines that were running about in his day inspired his famous  “Scriptural Holiness” which is considered to be one of the best works on Christian living ever written. The introduction outlines seven elements of Quietist type doctrines that fit Gospel Sanctification to a T. Therefore, COG proponents like Kevin Deyoung now quote Ryle extensively. A proponent of NCT has recently sent me emails that contain excerpts from Scriptural Holiness that seem to indicate Ryle supported a synthesis of justification and sanctification, and asked me to post them. Only problem is, I am very familiar with Ryles writings and find the suggestion preposterous. Knowing what I know about Ryle’s theological positions, I assume the quotes pertain to a contention against those who believe that sanctification is a much lesser concern than justification. This doesn’t mean Ryle believed they are exactly the same in essence as the proponent implied.

Mix those four methods with an attitude that is driven by a belief that God is using them to orchestrate a “second reformation” (I’m not joking), and the same kind of confidence the apostle Paul mentioned about the false teachers he contended with, and what you have is a serious Excedrin headache. With that said, one remembers what Jay Adams said about Quietist type doctrines: they will “ruin people’s lives.” He also said Gospel Sanctification is “dangerous and must be stopped.” No doubt—so the fight continues.

paul

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  1. RSeiver's avatar RSeiver said, on July 3, 2011 at 4:31 PM

    What do you mean by “sanctification by justification”? Ryle wrote, “if we would grow in holiness and become more sanctified, we must continually go on as we began, and be ever making fresh applications to Christ.” What do you think that means? And I think the expression should be put your money where your big mouth is. At least you could get that right.

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    • pauldohse's avatar pauldohse said, on July 3, 2011 at 4:49 PM

      Where’s the reference??!! “we must continually go on as we began,” Where’s the reference? This contradicts what Ryle protested in his introduction. What page did he say that and in what book?

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  2. RSeiver's avatar RSeiver said, on July 3, 2011 at 4:43 PM

    Please tell me you don’t really believe the gospel is only about justification. If you do, our problem could be that you and I believe in different gospels.

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    • pauldohse's avatar pauldohse said, on July 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM

      Oh, I guarantee we believe in different gospels.

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  3. RSeiver's avatar RSeiver said, on July 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM

    I thought you had read the book. Do I have to do all the work for you?

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    • pauldohse's avatar pauldohse said, on July 3, 2011 at 5:02 PM

      Just cough-up the references.

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  4. RSeiver's avatar RSeiver said, on July 3, 2011 at 5:06 PM

    OK, it is number 4 on the bottom of page 40 on the link I posted above. Here it is again to keep you from expending the energy needed to scroll up. http://www.ccel.org/ccel/ryle/holiness.html

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  5. RSeiver's avatar RSeiver said, on July 3, 2011 at 5:08 PM

    Yes, I believer in a Savior who saves people from their sins; not one who merely delivers them from the penalty of them.

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    • pauldohse's avatar pauldohse said, on July 3, 2011 at 5:18 PM

      That’s orthodox–but not what you really believe.

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  6. RSeiver's avatar RSeiver said, on July 3, 2011 at 5:10 PM

    Yes, we do believer in different gospels. I believe in a Savior who saves sinners from their sins, not one who merely saves them from their penalty.

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  7. RSeiver's avatar RSeiver said, on July 3, 2011 at 5:12 PM

    If you don’t like w.hat you find on that site, I am sure you can find the reference in your hard copy. If you need help with that, let me know.

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  8. RSeiver's avatar RSeiver said, on July 3, 2011 at 5:21 PM

    BTW, maybe you should have read beyond Ryle’s introduction. I am not suggesting Ryle would agree with my position in every point. I am confident he wouldn’t. He was part of the same or similar theological tradition as the Westminster Assembly. But, that is aside from my point. My point is that he believed we believers are sanctified by the same redemptive work of Christ that justified us. Since we never get beyond our need for sanctification in this life, we never get beyond our need for Christ’s redeeming work and the gospel that makes it known to us.

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  9. RSeiver's avatar RSeiver said, on July 3, 2011 at 5:25 PM

    Now, you are going to presume to tell me what I believe? Are you so dense that you can’t see his statement absolutely contradicts what you wrote?

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    • pauldohse's avatar pauldohse said, on July 3, 2011 at 5:28 PM

      LOL!!!

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    • pauldohse's avatar pauldohse said, on July 3, 2011 at 9:41 PM

      Um, excuse me, but are page references regrading the text file or the pdf?

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  10. RSeiver's avatar RSeiver said, on July 3, 2011 at 6:10 PM

    Now there is an intellectual response.

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