It has to be freedom to pursue the only truth, otherwise, there’s no love from God’s side. And a “god” who writes a book for his own “glory” is a narcissist who cannot love but him/herself or itself.
Reality? “God’s in control. He has a plan for your life.” Someone had said this to a dying girl in my presence and I asked him afterward if he was retarded or simply under MacArthur’s evil spell. He turned red and mumbled something about “God is sovereign” and then fled. Thank goodness.
Republican mother said, on April 29, 2018 at 10:58 PM
You could make a Calvinist call whistle that says “God is sovereign” when you blow it.
But to quote The Princess Bride, “I don’t think that word means what you think it means”. While my husband and I have sovereign authority in our home, the kids still color on the walls sometimes.
To think that God is just a computer programmer who just loaded this story of humanity onto his simulation device and turned it on, is not very impressive to me. My husband is a computer programmer and is paid so there are no surprises. To think we are just NPCs in a video game is just what Satan would want us to think.
A God who creates billions of beings with free will and promises to work all things for good to those who love and believe in him is worthy of worship.
Andy Young, PPT contributing editor said, on April 30, 2018 at 7:34 AM
“While my husband and I have sovereign authority in our home, the kids still color on the walls sometimes.”
A great point, RM! And we also need to be careful about using words that don’t even appear in the Bible, at least not in the King James. Even in the Calvinist Bible, the ESV, the word “sovereign” only appears 3 times. Two of those times it looks like they just threw the word in there for kicks because nothing appears in the original text. In the one other place, 1 Timothy 6:15, the word translated “sovereign” (the KJV uses “Potentate”), the word in the Greek describes someone who has authority (δυναστης – dune-as-TASE, a ruler or officer). This word is used only two other times in the NT and isn’t even used to describe God.
“He hath put down the mighty (dunastase) from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.” ~ Luke 1:52
“And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority (dunastase) under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,” ~ Acts 8:27
In no way does this word describe someone who is in absolute control of everything. As you so plainly pointed out, just because someone has authority does not mean he can compel someone to act against their will which is what the reformed would have us think of their god.
Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on April 30, 2018 at 8:34 AM
To your point, is man free? Sure he is. You can’t make any person do anything. And apparently, neither can God by His own design. Except, if reality is as you say, all of reality is a computer program designed and built by the divine programmer for His own satisfaction alone. And, if your kids want to color on the walls, nothing or nobody is going to stop them if that’s what they want to do. Sure, you can compel them to do otherwise, but ultimately, it is their choice if they are willing to accept the consequences. What we are talking about in the end is a humanity unified by knowledge of love.
It has to be freedom to pursue the only truth, otherwise, there’s no love from God’s side. And a “god” who writes a book for his own “glory” is a narcissist who cannot love but him/herself or itself.
Reality? “God’s in control. He has a plan for your life.” Someone had said this to a dying girl in my presence and I asked him afterward if he was retarded or simply under MacArthur’s evil spell. He turned red and mumbled something about “God is sovereign” and then fled. Thank goodness.
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You could make a Calvinist call whistle that says “God is sovereign” when you blow it.
But to quote The Princess Bride, “I don’t think that word means what you think it means”. While my husband and I have sovereign authority in our home, the kids still color on the walls sometimes.
To think that God is just a computer programmer who just loaded this story of humanity onto his simulation device and turned it on, is not very impressive to me. My husband is a computer programmer and is paid so there are no surprises. To think we are just NPCs in a video game is just what Satan would want us to think.
A God who creates billions of beings with free will and promises to work all things for good to those who love and believe in him is worthy of worship.
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“While my husband and I have sovereign authority in our home, the kids still color on the walls sometimes.”
A great point, RM! And we also need to be careful about using words that don’t even appear in the Bible, at least not in the King James. Even in the Calvinist Bible, the ESV, the word “sovereign” only appears 3 times. Two of those times it looks like they just threw the word in there for kicks because nothing appears in the original text. In the one other place, 1 Timothy 6:15, the word translated “sovereign” (the KJV uses “Potentate”), the word in the Greek describes someone who has authority (δυναστης – dune-as-TASE, a ruler or officer). This word is used only two other times in the NT and isn’t even used to describe God.
“He hath put down the mighty (dunastase) from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.” ~ Luke 1:52
“And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority (dunastase) under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,” ~ Acts 8:27
In no way does this word describe someone who is in absolute control of everything. As you so plainly pointed out, just because someone has authority does not mean he can compel someone to act against their will which is what the reformed would have us think of their god.
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To your point, is man free? Sure he is. You can’t make any person do anything. And apparently, neither can God by His own design. Except, if reality is as you say, all of reality is a computer program designed and built by the divine programmer for His own satisfaction alone. And, if your kids want to color on the walls, nothing or nobody is going to stop them if that’s what they want to do. Sure, you can compel them to do otherwise, but ultimately, it is their choice if they are willing to accept the consequences. What we are talking about in the end is a humanity unified by knowledge of love.
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…rather, the theory you state, not your position in regard to the computer program.
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You hear this constantly: “The gawsssful of sovereignty.” Where? Where is it? Certainly can’t find it in the Bible I read.
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