Paul's Passing Thoughts

Seek and You Will Find: Something Wasn’t Right About Church from the Very Beginning; Part One

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on October 13, 2017

https://paulspassingthoughts.com/Sincere people just don’t get it in many circumstances. I believe this is what the Millennial Kingdom is all about; Christ will be totally running the show from Jerusalem and His way of doing things will be a testimony as set against 10,000 plus years of foolishness.

Mankind, far from being totally depraved, has intuitive knowledge of common sense and common good…which will cause the common man trouble in this world. Christians don’t have the market cornered on suffering persecution for doing good; in fact, church Christians usually deserve what they get because they are annoying.

So, when I was saved in circa 1982, I did what Western Christians do when they get saved; get baptized, join a church, and start reading the Bible.

First of all, in most cases, and certainly in my case, the idea that salvation is a radical transformation of who you are as a person is intuitive. This is why most people shun the gospel; they fear radical change, and they don’t want to give up sinful desires. The idea that salvation is nothing but trust/faith in Jesus is counterintuitive. People don’t fear staying the same, they fear radical change and an unpredictable future. In addition, for those who are actually seeking radical change because their lives are in shambles, they will find the Protestant do-nothing gospel wanting.

Don’t misunderstand, they understand there is nothing one can do to obtain transformation other than seek God for it, but the assumption is radical change will follow.

When the new Christian joins the church, and this radical change does not follow coupled with lame explanations for the lack of change, doubt sets in. And all in all, ALL Protestants doubt their salvation because the very orthodoxy of it keeps them under the condemnation of the law.

In fact, according to Martin Luther and John Calvin, the big two of the Protestant Reformation, sanctification (the Christian life) is driven by an ongoing fear of damnation. I wrote a book on this subject/fact and will not belabor it here.

When you go to any given church on any given Sunday and look around at all the smiling faces; don’t be fooled, these are people who live under law and its fear of final judgment. The only exceptions are the few who don’t get it which will usually be the newer converts still functioning on intuition. Give it time; a year or so of good old-fashioned Sunday condemnation will take care of that.

Protestantism, according to its own black and white printed orthodoxy, is a progressive salvation of perpetual new births found only in one’s faithfulness to church membership. Again, I also wrote a book on that as well and won’t belabor the citations here (Ibid). Suuuuure the church believes in the new birth, but of course they do! Question is, how is it defined by the church? The doctrine is Mortification and Vivification, and is the stated Protestant orthodoxy of perpetual re-salvation found only in church membership. And, that’s just documented black and white Protestant orthodoxy; it’s not arguable.

“Well Paul, our church doesn’t believe that.” Very well, then I am sure your elders will be willing to publicly denounce Martin Luther and John Calvin as purveyors of a false gospel. Good luck with that endeavor.

At the beginning of the Protestant Reformation which was an attempt to reform the Catholic Church, and still is, which means the Protestant church, in its heart of hearts still wants to go back to momma, the formed traditions (alterations to Catholic tradition) matched its orthodoxy. Historical events distorted and confused its orthodoxy, but the traditions stayed in place (we tend to be creatures of habit). So, what we have today is traditional functions of Progressive justification that don’t match intellectual understanding.

Hence, Protestant orthodoxy in its plain printed form is denied, but its traditions are maintained. Why do we preach the gospel to supposedly already saved people every Sunday? “Well, you know, there may be unsaved people attending.” And so it goes. However, with the emergence of the Neo-Protestant movement (aka New Calvinist/Neo-Calvinist movement), its authentic orthodoxy is making a comeback. This is why the movement is taking over the Protestant church like a wildfire; the church is already primed for it.

As a result, the Protestant church experience is a morass of confusion and doubt suppressed by a doubling down of commitment to the institution and finding comfort in its authoritative display.

But those who truly love the truth will seek and find with God’s help. Those who are truly reborn of God will seek tenaciously, and if they give up God will intervene. This series will look at the contradictions new Christians will see in the church when comparing it to a face-value interpretation of the Bible.

In this introduction, we can start there; the new Christian, intuitively, will assume that the Bible should be interpreted by a “words mean things” approach. That’s a simple way of saying that the historical-grammatical hermeneutic is assumed. But is that Protestant orthodoxy? Nope. So, how does true Protestant orthodoxy call for the Bible to be interpreted? Well, again, I wrote a book about that. And by the way, we sell our books for what it costs to produce them and ship them, so….

Does this mean that most Protestants don’t even understand how their teachers and pastors interpret the Bible? Pretty much. The “wonderful” messages they hear every Sunday is an assumption of wonderfulness—they don’t even understand how pastors interpret their Bibles.

In part two, we begin to look at the specific contradictions and why they are such. With each, we will match the tradition with the assumed interpretation.

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  1. John said, on October 13, 2017 at 12:51 PM

    The day after Pope John Paul Young II had died, the pastor at the Baptist church I was visiting, said that one of our brothers had gone to be with the Lord. We were shocked and looked around and saw no one absent . . . until he mentioned Pope John Paul II.
    Those in the know cornered the pastor after the service, and at the next Sunday’s service, the pastor apologized for calling the Pope-on-a-Rope a “brother.” It was in 2005. To me, it was not a slip of the tongue, but a simple affirmation of what the pastor had really believed inside. It was a slip of his theology.

    Did I write “John Paul Young”? Yes, I did, but this was not in the air when the undercover Calvinist pastor called that dude with the weird dress our brother:

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    • Republican mother said, on October 13, 2017 at 8:03 PM

      I remember that same Sunday after Pope died! I was at a big Baptist church in the Knoxville area. The preacher said, “If that man died believing what he promoted, he’s a-burnin’ in Hell this morning.” This was followed by a big, hearty Amen.

      Fast forward to the last sermon I heard from a complete NeoCal. fanboy saying how “we love our Catholic brothers and sisters” in a Looney tunes sermon that was obviously directed at me. I was thinking, just join the Catholic Church and get it over with already!

      I thank God I heard and believed a plain Gospel and was taught the Bible says what it says, without a seminary degree to interpret reality. Where I grew up, guys in high school would get called to preach and taken on the apprenticeship route: nursing home and shut in visits, hospital visits, preaching on Sunday nights, etc. These fellows are mocked as uneducated by these NeoCal types. They can’t make money off of plain preaching and teaching. The more I think about how money-grubbing they are, the more disgusted I become at their system.

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  2. Susan said, on October 15, 2017 at 3:32 PM

    Words mean things? Is that a joke, Paul? Surely, you jest. Oh my, oh my. Of course something wasn’t and isn’t right. And you can say that until you are blue in the face and folks will not believe it. How else do you think these folks are going to get to that “one world church” unless all these “good Christians” — Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, non-denominational, Neo-Calvinist Reformed (whatever) — join together as “brothers and sisters.”

    In fact, there is no need to leave your faith community because all roads lead to heaven. And meanwhile, the People’s Pope Francis (globalist, Marxist, secular, humanist, atheist) is working very hard behind the scenes to embrace the Muslims, the Jews, the pagans, the atheists, the Hindus, the Buddhists, and all else. They can all sing along with the Beatles, Imagine, because that just about sums up what all of these folks believe.

    Republican Mother, as for John Paul II, I kinda think your Baptist pastor had it right the first time around. Isn’t John Paul II the one who was recently canonized as a saint by the Catholic Church? Apparently, one church’s saint is another church’s sinner. Somewhere I saw an eerie photo of John Paul II appearing as an apparition in a fire. It wasn’t a fake. It was interpreted as a “good sign”, but I’m not so sure about that.

    Come out from among them …..

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    • John said, on October 17, 2017 at 9:25 AM

      All roads lead to Rome, Susan. Dontcha know? I think I’ve just bit off a piece of my lower lip.

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