Paul's Passing Thoughts

Ken Ham Clueless on Millennials’ Mass-Exodus from Church

Posted in Uncategorized by Andy Young, PPT contributing editor on September 27, 2017

Scripture can only be accepted as an “authority” insofar as it is rational to believe it and those presenting it do so in a rationally consistent manner. You cannot accept “authority” simply for authority’s sake. Muslims believe their Koran is an “authority” just as much as Christians believe the Bible is an “authority”. So then how does one determine what “authority” is the correct one? There must be an objective standard other than simply an appeal to “authority”. The institutional church has failed miserably in providing such a rational objective standard, and that is why the current generation is rejecting it out of hand.

~ Andy

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  1. John said, on September 28, 2017 at 8:22 AM

    At least the one woman was sorta getting it, Andy. The rest, as I thought, did not understand what you originally had said. (I don’t have F/book), I simply clicked on the “f” above and it took me to the comments. Now my head is shaking too. Huh?

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  2. Susan said, on September 28, 2017 at 9:14 AM

    Yes, yes, and yes. I am not at all certain how many like-minded folks there are. I am not as optimistic as you. Among my circle, I have one friend and her husband who “get it”– really get it. There is no getting through to the others. Not all of the churches have the Calvinist Reformed god. Some of them have taken the exact opposite stance of love and mercy and anything goes. Love and tolerance, unity and inclusiveness. The problem: tolerance does not abide absolute unchanging truth (God) because that truth is “intolerant”.

    It is the same coin — only the other side of the coin.

    When I walked away from that Reformed Baptist Church, I thought, “I could be an atheist. I really could.” They all loved, loved, loved John Piper. Mindlessness and double-speak know no limits. I was asking questions: what is truth? can it be known? what happens when there is “conflicting truth”? then whose “truth” is “truth”? And what it really came down to was “our truth is truth” and “everyone else’s truth that isn’t our truth isn’t truth” and “isn’t it obvious that our truth is truth?” “what’s wrong with you that you don’t see it?”

    No, it isn’t obvious and you haven’t made your case. And there is nothing wrong with me for disagreeing.

    I know I am onto something about that progression: Catholicism, then Protestantism, then Modernism, and then finally Atheism. If you reflect on your experiences, isn’t that exactly what is happening in the “Christian world”?

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  3. Andy Young, PPT contributing editor said, on September 28, 2017 at 10:01 AM

    “Among my circle, I have one friend and her husband who “get it”– really get it. There is no getting through to the others.”

    There is a good reason for this. I’m sure that among those who don’t “get it” there are many who actually DO get it, but that means they have to face several realities:

    1> Ego investment. So much of themselves has been invested in a lie. To acknowledge that they “get it” mean they have to admit that they were duped. As irrational as it is, as long as they don’t acknowledge it then it doesn’t exist. Out of sight, out of mind.

    2> It requires them to take action. If they were brave enough to overcome their own egos, it would then require a tremendous amount of thinking on their part, and too many people don’t want to work that hard. It is much easier to just keep doing what they have always been doing.

    3> They intuitively believe that their salvation is vested in church attendance. They will not say this outright, in fact they will deny it vehemently. But the reality is that they cannot imagine life without church. Or they are too worried about what their other “christian” friends will think about them. After all, if the church is wrong, then they have to face the possibility that they might not be really saved after all. (see ego investment)

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  4. John said, on September 28, 2017 at 10:39 AM

    Susan, the anything-goes-god is just as fake and dangerous as its opposite. I am not an optimistic bubble (Joyce Meyer and Beth Moore are my favorites…not) or into motivational one-liner nonsense. I am frustrated just as you are, but I have been blessed (cursed?) with talking in a straight tongue (as you’ve been too, right?) which have brought me many awkward but delicious situations. But guess what? Sometimes people ask questions, and when that happens, it’s a good sign. It means they are actually starting to think.

    Where I live (down south somewhere), the two poles rule (the anything, and I mean anything goes “god” who takes you as you are and then leaves you as you are because you are the apple of his eye as you are blah-blah, and the monster Calvinist creature god). There is a middle, a remnant, if you wish. And I am happy to see more people seeing the light than ten years ago (hence the huge push from Reformed circles). Have you seen how many conferences and blog sites they have? A conference every week, and with the mentally crippled reformation500 madness a month away, they are physically going into spasms . . . but there’s no Jesus, no New Birth, no common sense, no love, no discernment. Isn’t that simply sad?

    I’m with you, Susan. Hold on, dear sis.

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