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Limited Atonement Circumvents the Gravity of Salvation as a Gift

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on June 9, 2017

ppt-jpeg4Maybe more people would be saved if they had a clear picture of what salvation is. Protestantism greatly dampens the gospel by making God’s sovereignty the issue. If salvation is completely out of the hands of people, and people are the way they are because God made them such for His own glory (being glorified through the saved as well as the condemned), why worry about it? In many respects, this approach diminishes the gravity of the gospel.

On the one hand, you have a god who has chosen some for salvation and others for damnation, and this is determined by God making some vessels for glory and others fitted for eternal wrath. People will simply be aloof from the question of religion if God seems capricious because of His hatred of humanity. We hope we can find something else in the other hand.

All in all, though clothed in a scholarly motif, Protestantism is fundamentally mythological with two gods having separate agendas. God the father is a wrathful god who hates mankind, and Jesus is the loving savior god who saves us from being sent to hell by the demiurge god. Do you want to deny this? Rick Holland, former John MacArthur right-hand associate and heir apparent to the Grace to You empire wrote just that in his book, “Uneclipsing The Son” which was forwarded by the MacDaddy himself. If John MacArthur doesn’t represent mainline Protestantism, who does?

And in addition, the book propagates the Reformed tradition that decries the supposed problem of eclipsing Christ with the other two members of the Trinity. Shockingly, MacArthur himself alluded to this supposed problem in the book’s Forward. Instead of the Trinity fulfilling three different roles to attain one goal and a singular love for mankind, God the Father and the Spirit are presented as subordinates to Christ.

All of this nonsense actually decreases fear of God and makes salvation something God has done just for the hell of it or to sport with man. People not only reject the gospel as presented, they aren’t even sure they like God very much. At the very least, His message is unclear and confusing. But what if God loves mankind and gave His only Son to purchase all people for salvation? What if God is a loving God who is offering the gift of salvation to every person, and saying no is tantamount to rejecting the paramount gift from a God who defines all love? Everyone likes love. What if you offered a gift to your wife and she said, “I don’t want it”?

What if “We love Him because He first loved us” means that God loves all people and wants their love in return rather than, “The only reason we love God is because He preselected us.” According to this interpretation, unless God creates some to love Him, none would. Is that because if God created people with freewill His character wouldn’t invoke love? Or is God merely incapable of creating people with freewill? Or does He stop short of that because the results would be unpredictable?

Furthermore, I believe the verses that seem to indicate preselection (an ancient mythological concept to begin with) seem to do so because we have been brainwashed by the traditions of men. What is not within our control is to give birth to ourselves or to make the gift possible, but that doesn’t negate man’s ability to choose the gift. Protestantism makes the ability to choose, the issue, rather than man’s inability to make the gift possible. Salvation is not something man can purchase, it is a free gift.

Wouldn’t all of this Protestant nonsense sell better if inability only pertained to salvation which then resulted in ability to serve God along with OSAS (once saved always saved)? Remember, in Protestantism, inability extends to the “saved” as well because salvation is a “process.” Yes, it would probably sell better, but then what would we need the church for? While you might answer, “for edification and spiritual growth,” that incentive isn’t strong enough to support the monstrous infrastructure of the institutional church and the creature comforts of those who think the following: God is using them to save humanity from itself. No, no, a theology is needed that supports necessary RMR (reoccurring monthly revenue).

And by the way, most unbelievers suspect this is the case.

“how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will” (Hebrews 2:3,4 NIV).

When God and His salvation is clearly seen in contrast to the traditions of men, the gospel is not only attractive, but compels people to fear if they neglect it because God paid an unimaginable price to secure a gift offered to all. If one is not sure the gift is even offered to them to begin with they will likely be uncompelled to address the issue.

And what is the issue? You supposedly commit your life to the church for a chance to obtain eternal life, or to decrease your time in purgatory.

When it’s all boiled down, it’s the gospel of, The only way to the Father is through the church where you have to come at least every Sunday and hear about what a sinner you are and give 10% of your income and hang-out with boring people who judge you.

That’s why people aren’t being born again and churches are chock-full of modern-day Pharisees who ridicule Pharisees.


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  1. lydia00 said, on June 9, 2017 at 7:32 PM

    Sort of off topic but not really. A pastor on a Calvinist SBC blog stated there should be a resolution at the convention that the SBC believes substitutionary atonement and “put this in stone once and for all”.

    It’s the state church mentality all over again!

    When I was a kid, a popular debate was Christus Victor, Ransom or substitution. Then everyone went to eat.

    It is darn scary out there in churchland.


    • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on June 10, 2017 at 9:20 AM

      “substitutionary atonement” as in not only the penalty for sin, but the works of the believer as well, viz, “double imputation.” And by the way, salvation is not “atonement” to begin with. The institutional church will end up where one would expect a false gospel will go.


  2. Susan said, on June 9, 2017 at 11:35 PM

    It seems to me that the Church as a whole is headed into apostasy. The pastors are first and then their congregations follow along in lockstep. Are people really this unthinking? As in blind, deaf and dumb?

    It seems to span the continuum from denial of Scripture as God’s Word, denial of the Trinity, the Resurrection and the Divinity of Christ to the Bible celebrates LOVE (as in homosexuality and same sex marriage) and APPROVES abortion and euthanasia as a “God given right” to we welcome and include and tolerate everyone and every doctrinal belief (all paths lead to God) to schools of theological thought are the gospel.

    In the UK Herald, it is reported that the new head of the Jesuits is saying that there is no such thing as the devil (or Satan). The idea of a devil is a philosophical construct or a symbol for evil; there is no such being.

    So lets see … no devil, no sin and no hell means no need for Christ, or for forgiveness of sin — and that should logically mean there is no heaven either. Heresy! Pure unadulterated heresy! So lets see … how is that much different from God decides whether you are elect (or not) and there is nothing you can do to change that predetermined election? It seems to me to be just two ends of the exact same continuum.

    Calvinism is at one end and the new teachings from the head of the Jesuits is at the other end. The one world church marches on. Surely the good Lord cannot be pleased.


    • Andy Young, PPT contributing editor said, on June 10, 2017 at 9:12 AM

      “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia) first” ~ 2 Thessalonians 2:3

      Most think that the “falling away” is still a future event, but I believe it has already happened (c. 300 AD). The “church” has been apostate since the time of Constantine. There has only ever been a small remnant of those who hold to original 1st century apostolic doctrine.


      • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on June 10, 2017 at 9:23 AM

        Right, look at how the apostles had to fight error night and day while they were alive. What do we suppose happened after they passed.


  3. Susan said, on June 10, 2017 at 12:33 PM

    I think it has been a non-stop fight against heresy. The disciples of the twelve disciples stood and fought against errant teaching. And that same process simply continued through the years. I think with the Reformation, heresy grew wings to fly. 500 years and how many denominations? 10,000? 20,000? 30,000? or more? denominations. And no one seems to get that incompatible and contradictory truths can not equally be truth. The seeker friendly/ church growth movement is nothing to celebrate either. Black hole of “It’s.All.About.You.”

    I believe the “falling away” is now at full sprint. If you have ever read anything by David Bercot — he is an attorney who put together a Dictionary/ Encyclopedia of the writings of the Early Church Fathers. And he wrote the book, “Will the Real Heretic Please Stand Up.” (And a number of other books.) He has a similar perspective to what you speak with respect to Constantine and how the early church changed (drastically/ not in a good way) after it was “state approved” and became a part of the “mainstream” and even preferred religious group.


  4. lydia00 said, on June 11, 2017 at 4:53 PM

    “by the way, salvation is not “atonement””

    Agree. Conquering death is not atonement, imo.


  5. lydia00 said, on June 11, 2017 at 5:01 PM

    “Most think that the “falling away” is still a future event, but I believe it has already happened (c. 300 AD). The “church” has been apostate since the time of Constantine. There has only ever been a small remnant of those who hold to original 1st century apostolic doctrine.”

    There is somewhere in the OT where God declares he only has a remnant of Israelites who follow him. I remember being shocked when I read it because so few think about this and history repeats itself over and over.

    Susan, in an indirect way, even Calvinists deny an evil force by claiming it is the humans who are born evil until their election is activated. Then, they can do evil but be assured of eternal paradise at the same time. Satan does not really have much to do in their scenerio. He already owns humans and all the material world.


    • truthseeker00 said, on June 19, 2017 at 5:35 PM

      Lydia00, It’s actually worse than you suggest. Since Calvinists blame God for damning reprobates, what need have they for Satan? They have to ‘keep’ him, because it’s sort of tough to erase him from scripture, but he becomes little more than another God-bot, who just does the dirty work of his controlling master. Terribly sad, and even more tragic is how many Calvinists don’t see it.


      • Andy Young, PPT contributing editor said, on June 19, 2017 at 6:08 PM

        Excellent point, truthseeker. Thank you for your comment, and welcome to the blog!


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