Paul's Passing Thoughts

Spiritual Identity Crisis

Posted in Uncategorized by Andy Young, PPT contributing editor on June 1, 2017

Why do people who call themselves “Christians” and who claim they are “saved” still talk in terms as if they are still unsaved?

~ Andy

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  1. Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on June 1, 2017 at 8:46 AM

    Because if you are a Protestant you are not finally/totally saved until the final judgment.

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    • Susan said, on June 2, 2017 at 10:42 AM

      Double speak, Paul. The Protestants I know would say that “they know that they are saved”. And they would proceed to quote from I John the nine tests/ attributes. Then in the very next breath, they would talk about how totally depraved they are and how it is all Christ alone that does any good thing in them or any good thing in their lives. If they dare take claim or ownership for having “done good” or “being righteous” ….. well, you know that is damnable …… because they are no longer living by faith alone and by Christ alone.

      My “problem” (thankfully, I a truly blessed!) is that I listened to what they were actually saying and it struck me as a forked tongue. It made no sense whatsoever. Say one thing and then turn around and say something totally different. But they don’t get that. In fact, just the other day, a women told me that she has been a Christian for 20 years and her life is no different than it was 20 years ago. She still struggles with the exact same sins, she is still praying the same prayers asking for forgiveness for the same exact things.

      My question then is: Why be Christian if it means nothing in terms of a changed/ transformed life. Eat, drink and be merry — at least that is honest. The folks who meet in the basement of the church for 12 step meetings are more “Christian” than the supposed “Christians”. Matthew 7 is being lived out in vivid color.

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  2. John said, on June 1, 2017 at 9:20 AM

    Oh, let’s not blaspheme against this little Calvinist god who carries the humble title of the “Prince of Preachers.” (I always thought that at least Jesus, who is God, would be the only one fit to be worthy of that title.)

    Anyway, it was the same confused, double-speaking, false-preaching Calvinist Spurgeon who had the following balderdash to say (warning: a strong smell of fresh guano is to follow):

    “I have my own opinion that there is no such thing as preaching Christ and Him crucified unless we preach what nowadays is called Calvinism. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel if we do not preach justification by faith without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing unchangeable eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross. (Charles Spurgeon, The New Park Street Pulpit, Vol. 1, 1856).

    I did warn you.

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  3. Susan said, on June 1, 2017 at 4:52 PM

    Why? Because words mean whatever we want them to mean.
    Why? Because words no longer have any meaning.
    Why? Because we have no idea what we are saying.
    Why? Because we have no idea what we believe.
    Why? Because we read the Bible through Calvinist glasses.
    Why? Because we are totally and utterly confused.
    Why? Because it doesn’t matter what we believe — only Jesus!
    Why? Because we speak in slogans and cliches
    Why? Because we have lost the ability to critically think.
    Why? Because we do not exercise discernment or judgment.
    Why? Because we repeat whatever the pastor says from the pulpit.
    Why? Because we lack wisdom and have not prayed for any.

    How many additional answers would you like?

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    • John said, on June 2, 2017 at 7:51 AM

      A fantastic list, Susan. So on target!

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  4. Susan said, on June 2, 2017 at 10:07 AM

    I have come to the conclusion that what the Protestants have built is the modern-day religious version of the Tower of Babel. That no one questions how diametrically opposed beliefs/ doctrines are both “true” …. simply astounds me. Apparently, truth doesn’t matter anymore. And as a corollary, no one seems to know what the truth is. Law of non-contradiction — they have never heard of such a thing. I have my truth; you have your truth. It’s true for me and it’s true for you. God help us. Surely this cannot be what the Lord intended when he left us a Holy Book of Sacred Scriptures and Disciples of the Disciples (a body/ an assembly/ a church).

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    • Andy Young, PPT contributing editor said, on June 2, 2017 at 10:16 AM

      “That no one questions how diametrically opposed beliefs/ doctrines are both “true” …. simply astounds me. Apparently, truth doesn’t matter anymore.”

      It’s not that truth doesn’t matter, they have simply replaced “authority” for truth. By doing that they have accepted the lie that there are some things they simply are unable to understand. This is how they can “reconcile” contradictions without cognitive dissonance; they simply punt it into the realm of “mystery”; God’s ways are higher than my ways; God’s thoughts are higher than my thoughts. You combine that with “authority figures” who constantly reinterpret reality for them (what you see isn’t really what you see, it’s something else) and it is easy to understand why intelligent people are so easily duped.

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  5. lydia00 said, on June 2, 2017 at 9:29 PM

    ‘It’s not that truth doesn’t matter, they have simply replaced “authority” for truth. By doing that they have accepted the lie that there are some things they simply are unable to understand. This is how they can “reconcile” contradictions without cognitive dissonance; they simply punt it into the realm of “mystery”; God’s ways are higher than my ways; God’s thoughts are higher than my thoughts. You combine that with “authority figures” who constantly reinterpret reality for them (what you see isn’t really what you see, it’s something else) and it is easy to understand why intelligent people are so easily duped.”

    This drove me crazy. And worse, any assertion that we could find answers to some the mysteries was considered arrogant. But then I started reading Jewish scholars. I also read the “History of the Jews” which I highly recommend. Sure, the Jews got and get a lot wrong but they are all about seeking to be educated. They value discourse, debate and scholarship. They were early adaptors of educating all their children. Even girls. They were all about questions to God, about God and what He meant by this or that.

    The Protestant view on questioning seems to come from a position of having ones authority questioned. And worse, they present all of this in academic language that appeals. I know some Catholics who do this, too, while appealing to the church, tradition and church fathers as the authority.

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  6. lydia00 said, on June 2, 2017 at 9:32 PM

    On another note, I became less impressed by Spurgeon when reading about the “downgrade controversy’ that certain Calvinists trot out now as proof of his greatness. He totally broke with his brother over doctrinal differences and it was an ugly public nasty disagreement. Totally unnecessary.

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