Paul's Passing Thoughts

A Challenge to Protestant Pastors: Your Gospel is False and What You Should Do About it; Part 1

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on May 18, 2017
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  1. John said, on May 18, 2017 at 9:29 AM

    You’re still a sinner that needs to be saved because…you belong to a cult.

    The liar Piper (wouldn’t he make a funny puppeteer with those dramatic hand movements?) and the blasphemer Sproul should be charged with something…anything. Attempting to keep souls from Heaven would be a valid charge, for sure. Deception can be another charge. Oh, and believing that the thinking person is an idiot should be one of the main charges. And bad, bad acting should be a secondary charge. Oh. My. How. Dramatic. Someone squeeze me a banana.

    How does the gospel save believers? I dunno; why is a new vehicle dirty after it has been washed? Cults are dangerous things that lead to one thing only….death.

    For those who are new to these cultists, make notes of their names and avoid them at all costs. The New Birth (born-again) is a foreign concept to these deceivers, MacArthur and his silly lot included.

    Great clip, Part Two should be interesting too.

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  2. Andy Young, PPT contributing editor said, on May 18, 2017 at 10:09 AM

    Whenever we go in to visit my wife’s family, we feel a certain pressure to make the obligatory visit to the institutional church they attend. This is the same church that my wife grew up in and where she went to school, so there is a certain social aspect involved because she likes to see people she hasn’t seen in a while. Meanwhile I suffer through the church service all the while squirming in my seat because of the blatant erroneous preaching coming from the pulpit.

    Well this most recent visit, about two months ago, was the last straw. At the end of the “sermon” the “pastor” uses the example of all of us standing before the “judge” waiting for what his verdict will be, and how at the last minute Jesus will come up and stand in our place and God will declare us “not guilty” and let us into heaven.

    I nearly lost it!

    To told my wife in no uncertain terms, we will never set foot in that church ever again. I can no longer tolerate the willful ignorance of scripture from someone who is supposed to be an “expert” and who doesn’t even comprehend the fact that believers won’t even be a part of such a judgment! I don’t care what her family thinks about us not going, I don’t care if we are going to miss out on the “social” aspect of it, the next time we visit them, we will be having our regular fellowship with our family like we do at home. I can no longer subject our family to such error, even if it is just to say hi to people we know.

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    • John said, on May 18, 2017 at 11:00 AM

      The truth is thicker than water.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on May 18, 2017 at 12:45 PM

      God bless you Andy…this is a very difficult stand to take, but it is what it is when you love the truth.

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  3. Alan said, on May 19, 2017 at 1:44 PM

    Andy – Way to live your conviction. I know there will be fallout but I commend you.

    John – I see Piper more as the marionette than the puppeteer but good call. ;^)

    Hello all,

    Interesting that “Blogpastor” opens with a premise of justification by faith and provides verses that clearly state that it is apart from the law.

    “For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from  
    

    first to last, just as it is written: ‘The righteous shall live by faith’”(Romans 1:17).

    “But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law    and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.”(Romans 3:21,22)."
    

    Then he goes into the same tired and unscriptural song and dance of progressive justification and it’s kissing cousin, imputed righteousness. Calvin and Luther were both wing nuts and clearly never understood the new covenant in Jesus’ blood. Nor do their present day fan boys. John Piper is clearly more than one sandwich short of a picnic, and any sandwiches he brings anyway are all cheese.

    Even the use of the word gospel is an error because it’s not good news. It’s if their capricious god decided you were predetermined to make it, or tough luck because you have to perish for his glory.

    The first time I listened to Chris Rosebrough, of Pirate Christian Radio an “ordained” Lutheran “pastor”, I could not believe him reciting the mantra “Law and Gospel”, over and over again. As if the new birth, being born again/born from above is not a one time event but merely entry into a some kind of spiritual preventive maintenance program.

    For us, the repentant faithful, it has become our reasonable service to live worshipfully and holy as His obedient children. We have been translated and adopted! Our Father is no longer the father of lies but the creator and upholder of the universe. Praise Him for that!

    “Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship.” (Romans 12:1)
    

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    • John said, on May 19, 2017 at 5:09 PM

      Alan, I hope there wasn’t a second time that you wasted your time on Rosebrough…what a self-righteous, little know-it-all that pimps his false gospel like a whore.
      Nice to see a new name here; I’m getting sick of seeing my own one.
      In Christ! ….and born-again once!

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      • Alan said, on May 20, 2017 at 6:23 PM

        John,

        Thanks for your kind comments.

        I do subscribe to Rosebrough’s Fighting for the Faith podcast for some segments but I don’t listen to it all. I just pick and choose. Thanks to TTANC, my Bible and the Holy Spirit; I know when he goes into reformed heresy mode and can fast forward. ;^)

        Looking forward to more interaction here in the days to come.

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  4. Susan said, on May 19, 2017 at 7:33 PM

    Andy, yes, expect push back when you refuse to attend that institutional church. But the pain of cognitive dissonance can be excruciating. Too.Much.To.Bear. Been there, done that. I would venture to guess that if you were to attend again, you will be either walking out or standing up and shouting at the pastor. If you stay and shout, I would expect that you will be escorted out of the building and issued a “no trespass order”. (No, that is not hyperbole.) If your wife wants to renew social connections, maybe a cook-out/ barbecue in the back yard or at a local park with invitations to her old friends would be the way to do it. Perhaps the family will awaken from their slumber when you draw that line in the sand for them. Then again, maybe not.

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  5. lydia00 said, on May 20, 2017 at 10:11 AM

    Gee Andy, I hope your wife is in agreement and willing to tell her parents why because she is in agreement.

    I happen to agree that even attending is a form of endorsement. Most people disagree with that. I think it’s an issue of freedom of conscious which we must allow from adults but not support. Taking stands like that is often lonely.

    I have a friend who grew up Catholic royalty here. The whole deal. After the pedophile scandal he just could no longer even pretend it had been fixed and was not ingrained evil for his parents sake. He once told me he could not believe the Institution survived such evil coming out. It did cause him to question what he believed and practiced. that has been a valuable journey for him. His parents, and even some of his siblings (in their 40’s) continue to be Catholic evangelists trying to change the perception from the global scandal.

    He is a rarity these days. As you are.

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  6. Susan said, on May 20, 2017 at 8:02 PM

    Lydia, it isn’t just the Catholic Church that has these child sex abuse scandals. It is Vineyard, Baptist, AG, etc — every denomination. The churches and the hierarchy work hard to keep it secret. I think TANC philosophy is right on the money with authority plus faith equals abuse. In one form or another. And if it isn’t sex abuse, then it is affairs or porn or financial fraud/ theft or domestic violence or God only knows what else. I am surprised any of these churches survive … but it seems there is a dynamic of “touch not my anointed” and “you must forgive and restore the offender to ministry because, you know, “that’s Christian” and “God hates those who cause division in the church.” Put those attitudes together with apathy and complacency on the part of a congregation and we have the mess that is the institutional church. So how is it that the person who complains and pursues criminal charges and warns others of the danger is the one “causing division” and the one “doing the abuse” is somehow not a problem? It stinks to high heavens. What is that statement Jesus made about anyone causing harm to an innocent child, it would be better for him (or her) to be bound to a milestone and cast into the sea. Unfortunately, there is a stunning lack of critical thinking and discernment these days.

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  7. lydia00 said, on May 21, 2017 at 8:17 AM

    Susan, I agree it’s not just the Catholic Church. I do think there are nuanced differences though in the global Catholic decades old scandal that went to the top of a Byzantine closed hierarchical structure and with others. I won’t go into them but I will never forget how badly my friend was shaken and how it affected his relationship with his parents who were only about “saving” the reputation of the RCC and insisting it was all fixed because they got a new Pope. At least he was rational enough to see it as basically PR over something so heinous and ingrained.

    I think the Protestants have made an unlikely hero out of G.R.A.C.E and Boz. He is all the rage with abuse blogs and I think they are very naive. Anyone who is paid by the corrupt institution to help the corrupt institution stay alive and prosper is suspect, IMO. It reminds me of the Ambassadors of Reconciliation and Peacemakers, who also made a name for themselves in certain circles and made a living off corrupt institutions. I don’t see that victims are helped at all with that focus. There is no justice done. And it is done to give people a false sense of propriety. It’s the stuff of cons. These institutions are not worth saving from a kingdom pov. But people get “something” from them. My view is to encourage them to think that through. It’s selfish in so many ways.

    Frankly, I find it all so corrupt that I cannot imagine taking the chance of even indirectly supporting such corrupt institutions. I am so done with it.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on May 21, 2017 at 11:00 AM

      …because horizontal justice is a concept utterly rejected by the Reformers and the Boz knows it. BTW, can anyone find the word “justice” in any G.R.A.C.E literature anywhere? I mean, if you can, they are lying, but I think it is an interesting question just the same.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on May 21, 2017 at 11:02 AM

      …I mean, a former prosecutor who prosecuted child abuse (supposedly) but little emphasis is put on the concept of “justice.” Just sayin.

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  8. lydia00 said, on May 21, 2017 at 3:01 PM

    Exactly! Because the goal of GRACE is NOT justice but saving institutions. . I got the impression from him that his idea of justice is something we must wait for in eternity. Uh. No. Along with truth in all things big or small, it is what believers seek here and now. I was surprised to learn the Hebrew word for charity and justice have the same root.

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    • John said, on May 22, 2017 at 7:03 AM

      I like your comment. A. Lot.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on May 22, 2017 at 9:30 AM

      Just google “biblical justice” or “justice in the Bible” and I wonder what you would come up with. Probably a lengthy verse list of God’s emphasis on horizontal justice that would be a glaring indictment of the institutional church.

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      • lydia00 said, on May 22, 2017 at 11:12 AM

        I became very interested in the Hebrew concept of justice. That doesn’t mean the Jews practiced it well. In fact, God rails against the priests about it often. Still, the understanding of the concept is important. And horizontal justice is a must for “peace”. Another Hebrew concept we ignore. Peace doesn’t mean let the bully win.

        Liberals would hate it. For one thing, helping the poor meant one created opportunity for them to help themselves. Gleaning is a perfect example. The farmer is required to leave it for them to gather. The farmer is not to gather it and give it to them. (However, spontaneous and voluntary charity is ok. But it’s not justice –as in dealing with right and wrong)

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      • lydia00 said, on May 22, 2017 at 11:20 AM

        I came to view It as full circle. The church (pastor caste,) are repeating the same behavior of the priestly class in the OT. The last book of the OT just rails against them! To me, that is a clue the pastor caste was never meant to be.

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