Andy Young, PPT contributing editor said, on May 13, 2016 at 3:34 PM
“Fellowship and worship are a foretaste and a fragment of heaven.” ~ JC Ryle.
“It would obviously take some getting accustomed, I think, if it should be a matter of taking into one’s eyes that which is up there outside the cave, in the light of the sun. And in this process of acclimitization he would first and most easily be able to look at (1) shadows and after that (2) the images of people and the rest of things as they are reflected in water. Later, however, he would be able to view (3) the things themselves [the beings, instead of the dim reflections]. But within the range of such things, he might well contemplate what there is in the heavenly dome, and this dome itself, more easily during the night by looking at the light of the stars and the moon, [more easily, that is to say,] than by looking at the sun and its glare during the day.” ~ Plato, The Republic, “Allegory of the Cave”
Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on May 13, 2016 at 4:50 PM
No, like all of them they are advocating a perpetual return to the same gospel that saved us in order to keep ourselves saved which includes the “means of grace.” And, that is supposedly alright because “the gospel” is faith alone stuff. So, there are faith alone works to keep yourself saved, and work works that are works. That’s Protestantism. But if justification is a process, EVERYTHING you do in the process is a work for some kind of purpose. You can call it, ‘living by faith alone” but it is still a work.
“Fellowship and worship are a foretaste and a fragment of heaven.” ~ JC Ryle.
“It would obviously take some getting accustomed, I think, if it should be a matter of taking into one’s eyes that which is up there outside the cave, in the light of the sun. And in this process of acclimitization he would first and most easily be able to look at (1) shadows and after that (2) the images of people and the rest of things as they are reflected in water. Later, however, he would be able to view (3) the things themselves [the beings, instead of the dim reflections]. But within the range of such things, he might well contemplate what there is in the heavenly dome, and this dome itself, more easily during the night by looking at the light of the stars and the moon, [more easily, that is to say,] than by looking at the sun and its glare during the day.” ~ Plato, The Republic, “Allegory of the Cave”
Shadows and forms!
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No, like all of them they are advocating a perpetual return to the same gospel that saved us in order to keep ourselves saved which includes the “means of grace.” And, that is supposedly alright because “the gospel” is faith alone stuff. So, there are faith alone works to keep yourself saved, and work works that are works. That’s Protestantism. But if justification is a process, EVERYTHING you do in the process is a work for some kind of purpose. You can call it, ‘living by faith alone” but it is still a work.
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