Paul's Passing Thoughts

Under Grace

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on March 14, 2016

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  1. Joe said, on March 15, 2016 at 5:40 PM

    Paul,
    My question would be then: Even though there is no law to condemn us, is God still angry or displeased with us in some fatherly sense when we fail to obey perfectly? That is a big fear for me at the moment. Even though I know I’m not eternally condemned, I fear that God is not pleased with me in my daily living on account that my works–even my gooD ones–are still tainted with sin. Or do you not believe that last part is true?

    Please, any help you could give would be greatly appreciated!

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    • Andy Young, PPT contributing editor said, on March 15, 2016 at 10:12 PM

      Joe,

      I’m sure the Paul will answer your question here shortly. In the meantime, would you allow me to offer a few thoughts of my own?

      You ask a great question. I know for certain that God intends for earthly fathers to be a pattern of our heavenly Father. Unfortunately, there are too many earthly fathers who fall short in that regard, and as a result, their children end up having a skewed and perverted view of God.

      As a father myself, I consider your question in light of how I regard my own children when they disobey. There are many emotions that come into play when my children don’t obey us. Yes, there is anger, but there is also disappointment, regret, frustration. But when I stop to think about this, I need to make sure my children understand that I am not angry at THEM; I am not disappointed at THEM. My disappointment is with the behavior, with their choices. And through it all, they NEVER cease being my children. And sometimes there is chastisement that is necessary for the purpose of teaching that actions have consequences.

      I think there is a parallel then between how earthly fathers handle such a situation and the way God deals with His own dear children. God is displeased with the behavior/choices but not the child. And a believer NEVER ceases to be God’s child.

      But there is something important we need to remember. We need to make a distinction between condemnation and consequences. As a child of God, we do not need to fear condemnation. Condemnation has to do with judgment, and because of Christ’s death and resurrection, the Law is ended so that there is no more condemnation. Where there is no law there is no sin. Once we come to the realization of that wonderful reality, ALL fear goes away! We CAN pursue good works. We don’t have to worry about our Father judging our motives. Think about it. I don’t know if you have children, but if a child brings something to his dad to show him, does the father harshly criticize it as if it doesn’t meet some arbitrary standard, or does he praise him for what he was able to do and feel a sense of pride and accomplishment in what his child did? To judge by some standard is to suggest that what he did is not good enough to make him a son.

      And this is where the distinction needs to be made between justification and sanctification, and I think this is the source of your confusion and fear and thus the basis of your question. God does not judge our works on the basis of being “tainted” with sin. Sin was ended with our justification. Justification is finished. We are made righteous because we are the born again offspring of God. Because we are righteous, our works then are righteous and can’t be tainted with sin. God made us righteous so that we wouldn’t have to go through life trying to navigate the minefield of wondering if we might have done something to make God mad at us. That’s making Law the standard for righteousness instead of the New Birth. Once you come to an understanding of this you will discover that your fear will go away!

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr. said, on March 16, 2016 at 7:01 AM

      Joe,

      Like me, you have been brainwashed. I confess that I am still clawing and scratching my way out of the Protestant Dark Age. Before salvation, and after salvation are divided into a radical dichotomy (separation). Justification/Sanctification, Gift/Reward, Under Law/ Under Grace, Fear/Love, Condemnation/Chastisement, and many, many more. How wide is the dichotomy? As far as the east is from the west.

      Yep, bingo, the last statement is not true. Our love is NOT, I repeat, NOT imperfect and tainted by sin. That is a works righteousness idea from the pit of hell. It doesn’t make any difference who keeps the law…LAW IS LAW, and it has no part in the new birth. Righteousness, which is always untainted, is APART from the law. It doesn’t matter if Jesus supposedly kept it for us, that’s not a righteousness “apart” from the law. “Apart” means “apart.” Joe, the law is now your call to love…let’s look at another dichotomy, but it is very interesting how the Spirit makes this point: in the same way that one sin violates every point of the law, one act of love fulfills the whole law. The Protestants only talk about the former. The law cannot touch you. It no longer has jurisdiction over you. Notice in the Lord’s prayer who we ask forgiveness to; “our Father.” Let me heavily paraphrase the apostle Paul: even if the old you that died with Christ was indicted, dug up from the grave, and your old dead body dragged into court, the judge would have no law from which to convict you.

      You are free, go forth and love. You can only earn life wages. To the degree that you disobey, the life more abundantly Christ promised you in the here and now is diminished. Christians can still choose death, but it is temporary chastisement and not eternal death wages. This is yet another dichotomy: more or less death wages/more or less life wages. Right, the lost can do good works, but unfortunatley, it only results in less death wages. That’s why there are degrees of eternal punishment. This is the Life/Death dichotomy Moses preached. That’s how the Bible frames it definitively.

      I haven’t read Andy’s lengthy response, but I assume it follows along these same lines.

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