Frank Stephens said, on January 4, 2015 at 7:42 PM
The Gospel very simple: God is holy and He is just, and I’m not. And at the end of my life, I’m going to stand before a just and holy God, and I’ll be judged. And I’ll be judged either on the basis of my own righteousness – or lack of it – or the righteousness of another. The good news of the Gospel is that Jesus lived a life of perfect righteousness, of perfect obedience to God, not for His own well being but for His people. He has done for me what I couldn’t possibly do for myself. But not only has He lived that life of perfect obedience, He offered Himself as a perfect sacrifice to satisfy the justice and the righteousness of God.
The great misconception in our day is this: that God isn’t concerned to protect His own integrity. He’s a kind of wishy-washy deity, who just waves a wand of forgiveness over everybody. No. For God to forgive you is a very costly matter. It cost the sacrifice of His own Son. So valuable was that sacrifice that God pronounced it valuable by raising Him from the dead – so that Christ died for us, He was raised for our justification. So the Gospel is something objective. It is the message of who Jesus is and what He did. And it also has a subjective dimension. How are the benefits of Jesus subjectively appropriated to us? How do I get it? The Bible makes it clear that we are justified not by our works, not by our efforts, not by our deeds, but by faith – and by faith alone. The only way you can receive the benefit of Christ’s life and death is by putting your trust in Him – and in Him alone. You do that, you’re declared just by God, you’re adopted into His family, you’re forgiven of all of your sins, and you have begun your pilgrimage for eternity.
paulspassingthoughts said, on January 4, 2015 at 8:06 PM
Frank,
You believe a false gospel, and unless you repent, you are going to hell. But thanks for how you worded it because I am going to use it for a post tomorrow to illustrate its falsehood at many points. What you have stated above is indeed the gospel that has all but taken over the American church via New Calvinism which is also old Calvinism.
Frank, you, like many others, think it is ok to be under law because Jesus keeps it for you and that is not the point at all. It doesn’t matter who keeps it, under law is under law. You, by your own admission, are under law and not under grace. Hence, by your own admission, you will stand at the white throne judgement; ie. the “second death” which is a judgment of condemnation for ALL who appear there.
I implore you to repent and ask for the gift of the Spirit. You must be born again.
paulspassingthoughts said, on January 5, 2015 at 7:43 AM
David,
The Spirit baptism is required, and while water baptism is a very important public testimony, it is not efficacious to salvation. I believe Jesus was speaking of the Spirit baptism, not water baptism.
I do not want to put words in Frank’s mouth but his synopsis implies that God made laws that people could not keep– on purpose. I will never understand this impugning of God’s character as part of the Gospel. My goodness! Think of parents like that. A boss like that. Making rules they know you cannot keep. We would call them tyrants.
The Gospel very simple: God is holy and He is just, and I’m not. And at the end of my life, I’m going to stand before a just and holy God, and I’ll be judged. And I’ll be judged either on the basis of my own righteousness – or lack of it – or the righteousness of another. The good news of the Gospel is that Jesus lived a life of perfect righteousness, of perfect obedience to God, not for His own well being but for His people. He has done for me what I couldn’t possibly do for myself. But not only has He lived that life of perfect obedience, He offered Himself as a perfect sacrifice to satisfy the justice and the righteousness of God.
The great misconception in our day is this: that God isn’t concerned to protect His own integrity. He’s a kind of wishy-washy deity, who just waves a wand of forgiveness over everybody. No. For God to forgive you is a very costly matter. It cost the sacrifice of His own Son. So valuable was that sacrifice that God pronounced it valuable by raising Him from the dead – so that Christ died for us, He was raised for our justification. So the Gospel is something objective. It is the message of who Jesus is and what He did. And it also has a subjective dimension. How are the benefits of Jesus subjectively appropriated to us? How do I get it? The Bible makes it clear that we are justified not by our works, not by our efforts, not by our deeds, but by faith – and by faith alone. The only way you can receive the benefit of Christ’s life and death is by putting your trust in Him – and in Him alone. You do that, you’re declared just by God, you’re adopted into His family, you’re forgiven of all of your sins, and you have begun your pilgrimage for eternity.
That’s the simplicity of the gospel.
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Frank,
You believe a false gospel, and unless you repent, you are going to hell. But thanks for how you worded it because I am going to use it for a post tomorrow to illustrate its falsehood at many points. What you have stated above is indeed the gospel that has all but taken over the American church via New Calvinism which is also old Calvinism.
Frank, you, like many others, think it is ok to be under law because Jesus keeps it for you and that is not the point at all. It doesn’t matter who keeps it, under law is under law. You, by your own admission, are under law and not under grace. Hence, by your own admission, you will stand at the white throne judgement; ie. the “second death” which is a judgment of condemnation for ALL who appear there.
I implore you to repent and ask for the gift of the Spirit. You must be born again.
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David,
The Spirit baptism is required, and while water baptism is a very important public testimony, it is not efficacious to salvation. I believe Jesus was speaking of the Spirit baptism, not water baptism.
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David,
The works just demonstrate who we are, but cannot contribute to a finished work.
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I do not want to put words in Frank’s mouth but his synopsis implies that God made laws that people could not keep– on purpose. I will never understand this impugning of God’s character as part of the Gospel. My goodness! Think of parents like that. A boss like that. Making rules they know you cannot keep. We would call them tyrants.
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yep, posting on all of this right now. I am going to have Pearl post it as soon as I am done with it.
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