What is an Emergent Calvinist?
Paul,
How do you respond to someone who says they are a liberal Christian?
“It’s hard because they have no clue what they are talking about. Did they use the above placard to clarify?”
Yes, they are using that as a definition (click on to enlarge, then back-arrow to return):
“Then they are an Emergent Calvinist.”
What’s that?
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Paul's Passing Thoughts 
Ummm….the word “bible” means a “collection of books”. Different authors, different times in history, etc. A group of men later decided which “books” could go into the collection. Not sure why these “facts” of how it came about automatically mean it was not inspired or why we cannot question the meanings in context within each book. Of course, the whole concept of inerrancy is cognitive dissonance without the original autographs. I, for one, would never agree that translators are inerrant. As we know, some word choices (and additions) came from certain agenda’s throughout history. Of course a church/state translator working for a king is going to add the word “office” to what is essentially a function of the Body to institutionalize it. There are many examples. Another is the word choice translation for teshuqa in Gen 3 or the word choice translation for authenteo in 1 Tim. The list is long.
Guess that means I am a liberal Christian? :o)
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Guys, I think the definition of a liberal Christian has evolved. So who knows what it is this week.
“Lydia, What’s the argument on teshuqa? First I’ve heard of it. A quick websearch seems “you will turn to your husband” versus “your desire will be to your husband”…don’t think I see any real difference there myself. If anything, the “turning” interpretation is stronger. But it also makes more practical sense.”
Turning is stronger. The turning seems to be an idiom or sorts as in “back and forth”. As in she will turn to Adam (instead of God) going back and forth and because of that Adam will rule over her. She gave power overself to Adam that was not his. History bears this out with Patriarchy being a result of what we think of as the fall. “Desire” brings in a sexual overtone to Western eyes. You can check me on this but I think a Monk named Pagnino changed it to desire. Here is a chart that helps:
Click to access teshuqa_chart.pdf
Eve was never meant to turn to Adam. She was meant to have close communion with God just as Adam was.
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David, I don’t know your background but I will add that much of Protestantism that has embraced comp doctrine or CBMW stuff since the early 80’s teach that Gen 3 means that Eve will try to rule over her husband and because she does that, he will rule over her.
They actually teach the opposite of what that passage says…and for a reason.. They have to find a way to make Patriarchy not a sin but turn it into a biblical stance. But it is obvious Eve gave him the power to do so. It was sin! My point with teshuqa is that changing it from turning to desire puts a sensual spin on it. Like she is luring him in so she can control him Have you not heard those sermons? I have heard tons of them. She is easily deceived and a temptress. (Never mind Eve ADMITS she was deceived and is sorry. Adam not so much, he blames God AND Eve for his own decision)
They affirm this stance with ESS now, a pecking order in the Trinity, that maps to marriage, etc. Taking metaphors WAAAAY too far. They still cannot tell me who the Holy Spirit reports to. :o)
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