Paul and Sandi Round 2
Paul that was quite a tirade! I don’t think you really understand the Sovereignty of God …it does not mean we sit back and do nothing! We do have a responsibility but we do not run around and try to establish our own righteousness, We rest on the finished work of Christ! Jesus said without Me you can do nothing, but the Word says also that we can do all things through Christ! I will say again salvation is totally of the Lord, not because I am humble or trying to be humble BUT because the bible says so. And Paul contrary to what you say I am not under the law of sin and death because I know that the Law of the Spirit of Life has set me free! Romans 8:1
Sandi,
Your very reply condemns you. You think it is possible for a Christian to establish their own righteousness for justification. If you really believed the following: “I am no longer under the law of sin and death,” you would know that’s impossible. And, “We rest on the finished work of Christ!” For justification, not sanctification. Your call for rest in sanctification shows clearly that you believe that you are still under the law of sin and death and it is not ended. Otherwise, no rest at all is needed in sanctification. Rest and love are mutually exclusive. Calvin’s false gospel is exactly why there is way too much rest in “Christianity.” Furthermore, Christ told the apostles that they would not be able to do their apostolic work without Him, that wasn’t a plenary statement concerning sanctification, and notice how you contradict yourself with, “it does not mean we sit back and do nothing!” and then you rip said text out of context to say exactly that!
Also, notice what else you say: “I will say again salvation is totally of the Lord,” ie., salvation (justification) still continues in sanctification. Your Reformed clarion call is “salvation of the Lord” in sanctification. As John Piper states accordingly: the gospel continues to save us perpetually as Christians. Clearly, justification is not finished.
Now I challenge you: what exactly are you to “do” in sanctification that is NOT a work that establishes your OWN righteousness? State the Christian practice that prevents this. Good luck. I made a chart to help you:
,,,and by the way, you mean Romans 8:2 which also by the way is not saying we are set free from the law of sin and death to rest and feed on Jesus, it means we are set free to obey the law of the Spirit of life in order to serve Christ. The rest of the chapter makes this abundantly clear.
Paul's Passing Thoughts 
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I don’t believe in “luck” Paul
I know WHOM I have believed!
I think you just like a debate.
I rest my case now.
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Sandi,
Like all Calvinists, you can talk a good-sounding line until pressed to define words. The paramount issue is, “attempting to establish our own righteousness” …in sanctification; viz, establishing our own justification in sanctification. This has justification running in the background which is works salvation by default. like all Calvinists, you say that of course we DO something in sanctification, BUT [a transition in contrast], at the same time, we do not set out to “establish a righteousness of our own.” Very well, isn’t it therefore reasonable to define what exactly constitutes DOING that does not establish a righteousness of our own and what DOES establish a righteousness of our own in the Christian life?
You, nor John Piper will fill out the list based on your own words because to do so would reveal the utter folly of the Reformation gospel. This is what is wrong with Protestantism in general: justification is running in the background of sanctification. This makes Christians hesitant to act because they are not sure which DOING is by faith alone or not by faith alone in sanctification. James attacks this approach in his letter to the 12 dispersed tribes.
Sandi, when you stand before Christ, “But John Piper said…” will be NO defense. Come out from among them and be separate.
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Paul, they are simply ingrained cliches that sound holy and make them feel pious. That is all it is. I mean,” how” does one “establish a righteousness of their own”? Can Sandy give EXACT examples of how that works?
The Cross/Resurrection is a done deal.
These follks scare me because if you take their religion to it’s logical conclusion, they are not responsbile for their sin AFTER being long time professing believers. That makes them unsafe people. That is how CJ/Mark Driscolll, etc get by with so much evil?
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“I don’t believe in “luck” Paul
I know WHOM I have believed!
I think you just like a debate.
I rest my case now.”
No luck involved at all. Where have you made your case? All you have are cliches from the gurus.
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