paulspassingthoughts said, on April 2, 2014 at 8:24 PM
Thanks all for the comments, and wanted to chime in, but I am swamped. So, was waiting for this one; right, I firmly believe that this video expresses the mentality of all Calvinists regardless of apparent demeanor. This is their historic mindset.
Imagine it? We have historical precedent. This is exactly how John Calvin acted. He just didn’t us a wood chipper. The Lutheran church worked to bring about the Final Solution. They didn’t use a wood chipper either. I guess ovens were a step up from bonfires and the wood chipper hadn’t been invented yet.
lydiasellerofpurple said, on April 3, 2014 at 9:19 AM
“does it not occur to him that maybe his bus isn’t worth riding?”
This is it. It does NOT occur to him. And it won’t until the money starts to dry up and then he will revert to a new bus. He did that recently when he said he moved on from angry young man to a “father” figure. He really is that gone. See, we are not talking about one scandal. We are talking about a scandalabra with Mark that goes back for years. As recently as a year ago, I saw many YRR pastor blogs making excuses for him. Then they went silent on him as if mentioning his name was a sin.
Behind the scenes the lines of connection to Mark are all over evangelicalism with Acts 29 church planting organization. The SBC partnerned with him! Gave Acts 29 tons of money. So we ahve hundreds, maybe thousands trained in the Driscoll way as pastors. Driscoll stepped down abruptly but he is still on the board. And he taught at many Acts 29 “Boot camps”. One thing he taught them is that the wife must offer up her backside if she is unable to have sex. I kid you not. He really teaches that.
And it is no joke that these are the type of men who would use force to stay in power. I keep repeating that I am so glad burning at the stake for heresy is illegal now. Anyone who thinks they would not go that route is quite naive. These guys are steeped in Puritan type thinking. Their “angry” bold attitude appeals to many young men in Christendom. They like a cage fighting Jesus figure. They despise people who do not think like them.
There is so much on him that is provable it is exhausting. The point is if people still attend there it shows you how bad it is out there.
Those who partnered with him and promoted him for years are strangely quiet. As if he never existed.
lydiasellerofpurple said, on April 3, 2014 at 9:22 AM
“Imagine it? We have historical precedent. This is exactly how John Calvin acted. He just didn’t us a wood chipper. The Lutheran church worked to bring about the Final Solution. They didn’t use a wood chipper either. I guess ovens were a step up from bonfires and the wood chipper hadn’t been invented yet.”
This is what I find weird. All I had to do is read history to know how vile their thinking was and their beliefs warped even if I did not know where it came from at the time. But so many people are reading their history and LIKING it. That scares the H. E. double hockey sticks out of me!!!
I wish Mark Driscols attitude was an aberration. But it really isn’t. It is endemic to Christianity.
My background was in the Pentecostal/Charismatic world, and I heard very similar statements in Ed Dufresne church (Tulsa) and then again in Tim Sheets church (Ohio) among many others. Now while they didn’t use the distasteful metaphor “put them in the wood chipper” they were quick to make the same effective argument: They were the bus driver, everyone else has a moral obligation to sit quiet and to as they are told. And when you cross them, the leaderships is within their rights to throw people under the bus.
See here is the thing. Mark Driscols comment about Paul is true. Paul did throw people into the wood chipper. When he couldn’t get people to agree with him he had no compunction about throwing them under the horse cart. And if that didn’t fix things he “turned them over to Satan.” This is the same fundamental attitude that Mark is displaying: Paul and Mark both presume the right to dictate . . . everything . . . and use force to achieve the outcome, even if it is force by proxy.
So, the reason that Mark’s comments get traction is because he can make the substantive “biblical” case that force is permissible to gain compliance. And what Lydia said is true: the Jesus as cage fighter is very appealing to a lot of young men.
paulspassingthoughts said, on April 3, 2014 at 12:48 PM
…and like Calvin said, Reformed elders assume apostolic authority. I would also point out a change of fellowship that invokes God’s discipline versus “church disciple” which is nowhere to be found in the Bible. We have no record of Paul being hands on like he was before his conversion.
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hahah….OMG …. is this guy for real? does it not occur to him that maybe his bus isn’t worth riding?
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Paul put people in the wood chipper? !!!???? ahahhaahahah…. oh this is to rich.
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nice people sit down and shut up lol
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Thanks all for the comments, and wanted to chime in, but I am swamped. So, was waiting for this one; right, I firmly believe that this video expresses the mentality of all Calvinists regardless of apparent demeanor. This is their historic mindset.
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Imagine a pastor even allowing such a thing to enter into his mind about a parishioner! And worse yet, people still follow him.
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Imagine it? We have historical precedent. This is exactly how John Calvin acted. He just didn’t us a wood chipper. The Lutheran church worked to bring about the Final Solution. They didn’t use a wood chipper either. I guess ovens were a step up from bonfires and the wood chipper hadn’t been invented yet.
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“does it not occur to him that maybe his bus isn’t worth riding?”
This is it. It does NOT occur to him. And it won’t until the money starts to dry up and then he will revert to a new bus. He did that recently when he said he moved on from angry young man to a “father” figure. He really is that gone. See, we are not talking about one scandal. We are talking about a scandalabra with Mark that goes back for years. As recently as a year ago, I saw many YRR pastor blogs making excuses for him. Then they went silent on him as if mentioning his name was a sin.
Behind the scenes the lines of connection to Mark are all over evangelicalism with Acts 29 church planting organization. The SBC partnerned with him! Gave Acts 29 tons of money. So we ahve hundreds, maybe thousands trained in the Driscoll way as pastors. Driscoll stepped down abruptly but he is still on the board. And he taught at many Acts 29 “Boot camps”. One thing he taught them is that the wife must offer up her backside if she is unable to have sex. I kid you not. He really teaches that.
And it is no joke that these are the type of men who would use force to stay in power. I keep repeating that I am so glad burning at the stake for heresy is illegal now. Anyone who thinks they would not go that route is quite naive. These guys are steeped in Puritan type thinking. Their “angry” bold attitude appeals to many young men in Christendom. They like a cage fighting Jesus figure. They despise people who do not think like them.
There is so much on him that is provable it is exhausting. The point is if people still attend there it shows you how bad it is out there.
Those who partnered with him and promoted him for years are strangely quiet. As if he never existed.
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“Imagine it? We have historical precedent. This is exactly how John Calvin acted. He just didn’t us a wood chipper. The Lutheran church worked to bring about the Final Solution. They didn’t use a wood chipper either. I guess ovens were a step up from bonfires and the wood chipper hadn’t been invented yet.”
This is what I find weird. All I had to do is read history to know how vile their thinking was and their beliefs warped even if I did not know where it came from at the time. But so many people are reading their history and LIKING it. That scares the H. E. double hockey sticks out of me!!!
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I wish Mark Driscols attitude was an aberration. But it really isn’t. It is endemic to Christianity.
My background was in the Pentecostal/Charismatic world, and I heard very similar statements in Ed Dufresne church (Tulsa) and then again in Tim Sheets church (Ohio) among many others. Now while they didn’t use the distasteful metaphor “put them in the wood chipper” they were quick to make the same effective argument: They were the bus driver, everyone else has a moral obligation to sit quiet and to as they are told. And when you cross them, the leaderships is within their rights to throw people under the bus.
See here is the thing. Mark Driscols comment about Paul is true. Paul did throw people into the wood chipper. When he couldn’t get people to agree with him he had no compunction about throwing them under the horse cart. And if that didn’t fix things he “turned them over to Satan.” This is the same fundamental attitude that Mark is displaying: Paul and Mark both presume the right to dictate . . . everything . . . and use force to achieve the outcome, even if it is force by proxy.
So, the reason that Mark’s comments get traction is because he can make the substantive “biblical” case that force is permissible to gain compliance. And what Lydia said is true: the Jesus as cage fighter is very appealing to a lot of young men.
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…and like Calvin said, Reformed elders assume apostolic authority. I would also point out a change of fellowship that invokes God’s discipline versus “church disciple” which is nowhere to be found in the Bible. We have no record of Paul being hands on like he was before his conversion.
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Mark D reminds a little bit like Graer Grimsrud in Fargo. Scary😡
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