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John MacArthur was for Baptismal Regeneration before he was against it

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on March 14, 2014

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  1. […] This is a response to what I think Paul D is implying by his post ┬áJohn MacArthur was for Baptismal Regeneration before he was against it. […]

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    • paulspassingthoughts said, on March 14, 2014 at 9:19 PM

      David,

      of course Calvin didn’t believe in baptismal regeneration–he didn’t believe in regeneration. Like all Calvinists who know their cuts of Calvinism, “regeneration” is a realm experience only. In Reformed soteriology, ALL works of the Spirit are outside of the believer. “In us” refers to the hearts ability to EXPERIENCE grace more and more–the same grace we will experience in full at the resurrection. Christ is “in us” “by faith.” The “vital union” is only an experience–nothing happens inside of the believer other than the experience. Calvin believed that baptism made us official members of the church where sins committed in the Christian life can be forgiven to maintain our salvation. That was Calvin’s take on it: no baptism by water, no church membership; no church membership, no forgiveness for continuing sin, and therefore no salvation because Reformed soteriology defines justification by perfect law-keeping. Church membership makes it possible for you to be in “the race of faith” which is the general calling. Nobody really knows for certain who has been granted the “gift of perseverance.”

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  2. paulspassingthoughts said, on March 14, 2014 at 9:00 PM

    David,

    Calvin clearly believed that water baptism was efficacious for salvation while many Calvinists call that a false gospel which is the point of the video. Regardless of what all of those verses seem to say, It is clear that we receive the Spirit by believing and not works of the law (Gal 3:2). We receive the Spirit by believing, and once we receive the Spirit and His “sealing til the day of redemption,” nothing else is needed.

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    • paulspassingthoughts said, on March 14, 2014 at 9:30 PM

      David,

      Paul connected it all together in 1Cor 14:36-38

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      • paulspassingthoughts said, on March 15, 2014 at 6:56 AM

        I don’t know what Reformed Baptists think Calvin believed, but Calvin believed baptism unites one with the church for the necessary forgiveness of future sins to keep ourselves saved. CI 4.15.1ff.

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      • paulspassingthoughts said, on March 15, 2014 at 2:10 PM

        I am not an Arminian, and water Baptism saves no one. The Spirit is received by believing.

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  3. paulspassingthoughts said, on March 15, 2014 at 3:42 PM

    David,

    Baptism is a command to publicly profess what you believe; i.e., the spiritual reality of death and rebirth. Indeed, you can skip it and still be saved, but it would be like skipping a wedding ceremony. The ceremony doesn’t make you married, the commitment does. Likewise, Paul stated that circumcision never saved anybody, and the extreme importance of circumcision to the Jewish confession is evident.

    And don’t call me a Calvinist again, and don’t tell me I am brainwashed. I was brainwashed at one time, by Calvinists, and the cost was hefty. Those verbal attacks cut deep, and you have had the privilege to do so until now. Don’t do it again if you care to participate here. I am well aware of what Calvin held to, and your ideas do not line up.

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    • paulspassingthoughts said, on March 15, 2014 at 4:33 PM

      So ok, why doesn’t the Holy Spirit fall on us visibly today like it did them?

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      • paulspassingthoughts said, on March 15, 2014 at 6:07 PM

        So David, even if I concede the point, why did Paul say, “because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” How could he possibly leave out an efficacious water baptism?

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      • paulspassingthoughts said, on March 15, 2014 at 6:52 PM

        So when exactly did baptism become a requirement for salvation; what’s the demarcation?

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  4. paulspassingthoughts said, on March 15, 2014 at 7:16 PM

    So, I am assuming before that it was circumcision that was required.

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    • paulspassingthoughts said, on March 15, 2014 at 7:37 PM

      Well David, I think you have stated your position on the issue, we will let the readers decide. That’s a hint by the way.

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  5. paulspassingthoughts said, on May 3, 2014 at 7:42 AM

    Reblogged this on Clearcreek Chapel Watch.

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  6. Steve Finnell said, on November 2, 2014 at 4:03 PM

    THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH BY STEVE FINNELL
    Why was the Ethiopian eunuch so concerned about being baptized in water?
    1. Did the eunuch want to be baptized so he could join the the 1st Church of Philip?
    2. Did the eunuch want to be baptized as a testimony of his faith?
    3. Did he want be baptized because Jesus commanded it and he wanted to be obedient?
    4. Was he in a hurry to be baptized because he realized that water baptism had nothing to do with the forgiveness of his sins?
    5. Did the eunuch want to be baptized because his sins were already forgiven?
    6. Did he want be baptized to demonstrate that he was saved before he was baptized?

    The answer is NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, and NO.

    The Ethiopian was in a hurry to be baptized because:
    1. He wanted his sins forgiven. (Acts 2:38)
    2. He wanted his transgressions forgiven. (Colossians 2:13)
    3. He wanted to be saved. (1 Peter 3:21)
    4. He wanted to be baptized into Christ. (Romans 6:3)
    5. He wanted to walk in newness of life. (Romans 6:4)
    6. He wanted his body of sin done away with. (Romans 6.6)
    7. He wanted wanted to live with Christ. ( Romans 6:8)
    8. He wanted to be saved. (Mark 16:16)
    9. He wanted wanted to be clothed with Christ. (Galatians 3:27)
    10. He wanted to have his sins washed away. (Acts 22:16)
    11. He wanted to be saved. (Titus 3:5)
    12. He wanted to enter the kingdom of God. (John 3:5)
    13. He wanted the Lord to add him to His church. (Acts 2 :41,47)
    14. He wanted to be sanctified. (Ephesians 5:26)
    15. He wanted to be blameless and holy. (Ephesians 5:27)
    16. He wanted to be free of spots and wrinkles.(Ephesians 5:27)
    17. He wanted to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38)

    THE CONVERSION OF THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH (Acts 8:26-38)

    Philip preached Jesus to the eunuch.

    The first question the eunuch ask was “What prevents me from being baptized?”

    Philip said Acts 2:37 [… “If you believe with all your heart you may.” And he answered and said , I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”]

    When Philip preach Jesus to the eunuch he must have told him what Jesus said in Mark 16:16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

    THE ETHIOPIAN EUNUCH WAS SAVED ON THE ROAD FROM JERUSALEM TO GAZA; BUT ONLY AFTER HE BELIEVED AND WAS BAPTIZED!

    NOTE: In the New Testament Scriptures there is not one single account of anyone denying water baptism as being essential for the forgiveness of sins. Not one mention of anyone saying I was saved before I was baptized. Not one person stated they were saved before baptism, but were baptized so they could join the local church. Not one individual said I was baptized as a testimony of my faith, but it had nothing to do with my salvation. WHY DO YOU NOT READ ABOUT THESE THINGS HAPPENING IN THE 1ST CENTURY CHURCH? WHY? BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL MAN-MADE TRADITIONS THAT ORIGINATED MUCH LATER. (SEE MY APRIL 17 POST—“THE PRICE OF TRADITION’)

    (All Scripture quotes from: NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE)

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