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Calvinism’s Denial and Redefinition of the New Birth

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on January 19, 2014

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  1. A Mom said, on January 22, 2014 at 1:11 AM

    Yikes, Bridget. That is creepy & backwards. Excellent observation!

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  2. Anonymous said, on January 22, 2014 at 9:31 AM

    I am not sure what translation of the Institutes DeYoung and Bridget are quoting, but the translation I am reading makes no reference to Jesus growing. Calvin wrote, “that Christ is not external to us, but dwells in us; and not only unites us to himself by an undivided bond of fellowship, but by a wondrous communion brings us daily into closer connection, until he becomes altogether one with us.” “He daily brings into closer connection.” Maybe someone here who knows French can sort it out for us.

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  3. Anonymous said, on January 22, 2014 at 11:19 AM

    Whatever the meaning of the foregoing statement, the main point Calvin was making was stated cogently in the following statement, “And yet I deny not, as I lately said, that faith occasionally suffers certain interruptions when, by violent assault, its weakness is made to bend in this direction or in that; and its light is buried in the thick darkness of temptation. Still happen what may, faith ceases not to long after God.”

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    • paulspassingthoughts said, on January 22, 2014 at 11:37 AM

      So, the “foregoing statement” is irrelevant? What’s your point? The “foregoing statement” doesn’t say what it says?

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    • paulspassingthoughts said, on January 22, 2014 at 11:40 AM

      Warning to Anon 201. Deceptive communication techniques will not be tolerated here. Save your cultish brainwashing for your own congregation of kool-aid drinkers.

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  4. Argo said, on January 22, 2014 at 11:26 AM

    Anon,

    Perfect Law-keeping is the standard for salvation. Man, due to his total depravity (not in the Bible), stemming from Original Sin (not in the Bible), which defines his utterly Fallen state (not in the Bible) means that man is categorically incapable of RECEIVING, not “earning” (another reformed subterfuge) salvation because he is a totally insufficient vessel at the root of his very metaphysical SELF. Thus, ALL of man’s life is a process of destroying the human in favor of Christ possessing him (becoming “one”). Man can never receive Salvation; he must (somehow) become Christ, because only Christ can be “saved”, because only Christ can keep the Law.

    Man is NEVER a part of the existential or salvation equation. All of life then is nothing more than destroying the human self so that no vestiges remain. This is accomplished by perpetually (daily) crucifying Christ for our daily “sins” (existence).

    Re-crucifying Christ is cutely phrased as “preaching the Gospel to yourself every day”.

    This is precisely what Calvin teaches, and it’s evil is self evident. Proclaiming daily re-salvation strips Christ’s crucifixion of all power and beauty. Life becomes DEATH. Joy becomes synonymous with non-existence.

    Interesting how the Apostle Paul, whose message the neo-Reformed bastardized with startling impunity, dourly warns against this teaching.

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  5. Bridget said, on January 22, 2014 at 12:02 PM

    I copied and pasted directly from DeYoung’s article which is on TGC website — for everyone to read and which should trigger great confusion to anyone paying attention.

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  6. Bridget said, on January 22, 2014 at 12:13 PM

    Anonymous –

    The translation that DeYoung quoted is different than the version I have (Henry Beveridge).

    It doesn’t change this though:

    “but by a wondrous communion brings us daily into closer connection, until he becomes altogether one with us.”

    We ARE one with him. It isn’t “a daily closer connection until he becomes altogether one with us.”

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    • paulspassingthoughts said, on January 22, 2014 at 12:28 PM

      Right, obviously. Again, apparently we are idiots and don’t know an antonym from a synonym.

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  7. Anonymous said, on January 22, 2014 at 7:26 PM

    You people seem a tad touchy. I was not trying to be deceptive about anything. I simply thought someone here might know French and could confirm which translation is correct. They clearly state two different ideas. You all seem to be getting your undies in a wad over something Calvin may not have even believed. Even if he did, it has nothing to do with the issue under discussion, which is that sanctification results from a believer’s union with Christ. Certainly no one who has read and believes Romans 6 could deny this.

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  8. Anonymous said, on January 22, 2014 at 7:31 PM

    Bridget,

    You are right, we are one with him, and I must confess I don’t have a clue what Calvin meant. No one claims inerrancy for Calvin.

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