Paul's Passing Thoughts

An Answer for Lisa and Jane Doe

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on October 18, 2013

Ref. Church s5

Noah’s wife must have been an interesting person. Imagine being married to one of the few men on earth who is right. If Noah wasn’t a compromiser, and I tend to think he wasn’t, Noah’s wife would have lived in isolation for the most part. I was surprised to find a significant amount of data on her. Though it is debatable, some think her name was Emzara, but that assertion is mostly tradition. Her major role in Noah’s ministry was behind the scenes, and apparently, she never did anything to rock the boat. Pun intended.

I will admit it, I have the best commenters here at PPT available on the internet. They are not many, but they are thinkers. They also love the truth. Some, like Lisa, are searching. Not for A truth, but for THE truth. That’s important. Lisa is an anti-type of the kind of “Christianity” that the apostles predicted would be prevalent in the last days. Here is her comment:

Hi, Paul-

I have been reading through your posts for a few months. I am on a truth quest, and have been awakening over the course of the last 15 months to the amazing amount if deception in the American church. I must say I am greatly dismayed–it seems that any teacher of note is a fraud of some sort. We spent years in the SBC, then went looking for something “real.”

After escaping the mindless crush of Stepford Christianity (seeker driven/church growth), and awakening to the underlying dogma (courtesy of Peter Drucker), I began looking into the various reformed denoms. Early on, we discarded the YRR/ Driscoll crowd. After some investigation and disappointment, Piper was out. Then, I began to look at the differences between Calvinism and Lutheranism.

That is about where I came across your blog. You make very compelling arguments against Luther, Calvin, Protestantism as a whole, and virtually every remaining pastor I hoped had something helpful to teach. I am not saying I think you are wrong, but I have a pretty good idea of what you DON’T believe, but no clue what you DO believe. What is left? Help!

Thanks!

Lisa

While writing this post, I received an email that echo’s Lisa’s concerns as well. The writer’s identity is protected by referring to her as “Jane Doe.”

Hi, I came across your blog while doing my own research on James MacDonald and his controversies.  I have read through many of your past blogs and comments, in particular those relating to Calvinism.

Honestly, my head is spinning and my heart aching because I don’t know whether I am an even bigger fool than I thought for falling for MacDonald’s dog n pony show, or am I heading down another path of false teaching/opinions.

When I read your blog and others’ with your same opinions I realize that basically everything I listen to on Moody radio is essentially a farce.  YIKES!..  I really thought I was headed down the right path but now I think I might be a Calvinist and I am alarmed by this.

I’m just a mom, raised in the [omitted] tradition. I attended a [omitted] university and over the last 20 years found myself clinging to Moody radio and my local congregation. I’m questioning Moody and am wary of most churches because they all seem to tout McArthur, Piper, Francis Chan, Rick Warren, Platt and guys lined up with JM.

I’m afraid I researched myself out of any affiliation with anyone.  All I can hope for is to read my Bible with fresh eyes.

Sorry, you take the brunt of my sadness.

Jane Doe

Everybody just stop right now. Jane and Lisa are asking the same thing: “Where is THE truth???”  When the truth is hard to find for truth-lovers, that’s a bad life. But Jane and Lisa are in a good place filled with hope. Jane and Lisa are experiencing what the apostles said would be taking place in the “latter part of the latter days.” This is twofold. First, “Christians” will be looking for A truth rather than THE truth:

2Timithy 4:3 – For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Secondly, sound doctrine will not be tolerated.

Is this not descriptive of the day we are in?

As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

This is in a manner of speaking, it won’t be technically as bad (the gates of hell will not prevail against the church), but why do thousands upon thousands of “Christians” pay 100-400 dollars each plus travel expenses to hear from mere men with a bunch of Plato Academy titles after their names? It’s insane. These men will not give an account for our lives before Christ, and Lisa-n-Jane know it. They are taking responsibility for the sum and substance of their own lives before God—the lives that bear their names. Good for them.

Salvation is NOT found in Augustine’s institutional church; Jane and Lisa know that also.

Now, we first address Lisa’s question:

…but I have a pretty good idea of what you DON’T believe, but no clue what you DO believe. What is left? Help!

What we do believe can be found here, here, here, here, and here. TANC is a research institute that is also offering alternatives to the false Protestant church. Like Lisa, we are on a “truth quest” as well. Welcome to the quest Lisa. Christ said that those who seek truth will find it. The quest’s end is assured. TANC is far from claiming to have all of the answers, but we are developing frameworks to help the priesthood of believers in their exodus away from the Augustinian church herehere. and here.

The alternative is the unpublicized massive home fellowship movement afoot in this country. Christians are figuring out that the authority of the church is found in the Scriptures, not an institution created by Platonists. TANC is trying to set the example with The Potter’s House Home Fellowship movement. This is not difficult. We meet every Sunday night at 6pm for a fellowship meal. At 7pm, we have a Bible lesson till 8pm, and then more fellowship.

“But where in the world would we start if we decided to do that?” Well, can you cook and talk? That takes care of the fellowship part. As far as the Bible study part, we have several key studies to help people get started. Our study through the book of Romans is very foundational in regard to a framework to start with. Some people merely print copies of our Romans series, read them, and have a group discussion. This is not a difficult start. Let the authority of God’s word guide you from there.

Have you been duped? I will only speak for my wife Susan and myself. Susan and I have 80 years of Christian experience between us, and we have learned more in the past year than we have in all of our Christian lives. Were we formally duped by the traditions of men?

Yes. Big time.

paul

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  1. Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on October 18, 2013 at 11:22 AM

    Reblogged this on Clearcreek Chapel Watch.

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  2. Argo's avatar Argo said, on October 18, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Even John Immel was part of Sovereign Grace Ministries for a time. I was in SGM as a hearty and well-approved neo-Calvinist in good standing for 15 years, and contributed over a hundred grand to that monstrosity.

    Jane and Lisa, nobody is perfect. (We are all just learning that we are as we go.) It’s called thinking, and you’ve merely discovered what we all discovered after throwing off the lies: TRUTH is addicting.

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  3. Lydia's avatar Lydia said, on October 18, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    I.LOVE.THIS. POST!!

    Thank God for the Jane and Lisa’s out there!! They are doing exactly what I was doing 9 years ago. In fact, I can totally relate to Jane Doe’s journey. It mirrors mine as I left the ridiculous seeker movement in which I have much guilt for perpetuating and then checked out the Calvinist movement thinking they might have the answers.

    I can only offer this advice to them,: Be careful of asking the wrong questions you will end up in the wrong place. The question is not “where can we go” in the institutional sense. The question is: Do I really know Jesus intimately? I came to the conclusion 9 years ago that I didn’t. I knew “about” Him. The white noise of what passes for Christianity in the institutions whether seeker or reformed) really drowned the Holy Spirit out.

    It could be that Christendom in the West is so corrupt (and it is because the institution and the careers within MUST maintain itself at all costs even to truth) that you will only find “community” online or with a few you run into here and there who are going through the same journey.

    My advice is to go somewhere quiet and seek Him with all your heart and mind. Pray for your filters to be erased. Read the Gospels over and over and over. Reserve Paul for when you really know Jesus. Because Paul only makes sense in light of Jesus Christ.

    I am praising God right now for your emails to Paul D. Christianity is a “relationship” with Christ. Not an institutional membership where you must be taught truth but we all feel sinful for not being a part of an institution. Where did we get that? Assembling with believers can take on many different methods.

    I will leave you with words from 1 John that were a wake up call for me:

    26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

    Dear precious sisters, you can have His anointing, too!

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  4. trust4himonly's avatar trust4himonly said, on October 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM

    Good for Jane and Lisa!!- You are on the right track and we are there with you sisters! Keep to Word and the Holy Spirit- He will never steer you wrong. Jane and Lisa I was asking the same questions you were asking not too long ago, now I am free and God said “It is good”! He has our undivided attention now, right where it belongs; not with men, but with Him only. The Word of God will suffice because He promises that it will.
    You are also not alone among your sisters and brothers in Christ; many of us are seeing the truth.
    As Lydia states “Christianity is a relationship with Christ” – we see that we can be free from the prying eyes of “collectivism Christianity”. It sucks the very joy and life out of a Christian and hinders the effective witness of Jesus Christ to the unbelieving world. Ever since I became free of the shackles of American Christianity, I am now more able to, in love, witness to those who don’t know Jesus as their Savior. I am learning not to put people in a box according to whatever “Christian leaders” tell me to. One example (out of many): before I use to look upon harshly the Muslim people and their religion; however, even though they do not know our Savior, I can now treat and love them as being created in God’s image. This kind of attitude about Muslims was fueled by my “Churchianity”- I was fueled by fear of them instigated by pastors and leaders of the church. In some instances these attitudes were taught with “good intentions”, but NOT how Jesus Christ would teach us to be. Like I said I am learning these things along the way by the Holy Spirit- good stuff!

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  5. doremifasogirl's avatar doremifasogirl said, on October 19, 2013 at 12:05 AM

    Gracious me!

    Thank you, Paul for another thought-FULL post! Much to digest.

    Lydia, you are right, quiet time is going to be very necessary–time immersed in the Gospels a MUST. Quiet, and lots of humble prayer.

    Argo, truth IS addicting—insomnia and late night reading binges have been my companions these last 15 months. It is like peeling an onion– one layer comes off, only to reveal another stinking layer beneath. I keep thinking, “surely, this will be it!”

    i have been a believer for nearly 34 years, since i was a high school freshman, but have only ACTIVELY pursued TRUTH for the last 15 months; I thought I already KNEW the truth, and accepted virtually everything the pastor said. I had no concept of Bible twisting, and no real interest in doctrine because, after all, if I believed Jesus is the Son of God and accepted His forgiveness for my sin, the rest was really unimportant, right? How arrogant to think I “got it.” I am so grateful The Lord removed the scales from both mine and my dear husband’s eyes. We were completely disgusted and shocked that we had been so fooled SO MANY TIMES. How humbling to realize you are actually a complete fool. I am heartily ashamed of others that we, in our arrogant ignorance, sent down the paths of men such as Giglio, piper, Driscoll, etc., and repent for leading them astray.

    I will keep reading, praying, wrestling. Lydia, as you said, asking questions can sometimes lead you to wring places. So, I would sincerely ask for your prayers that the Lord would continue to guide is into TRUTH, keeping us on His path, and guarding us from error. I will pray for you as well.

    Many blessings, all
    Lisa

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