Paul's Passing Thoughts

Are Babies Saved?

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on August 7, 2013

971705_10201209119611012_401841662_n“And by the way, if the absence of law leaves no sin, that means particular redemption is erroneous…. All of the Reformed brain trust together is no match for babyology.”

What is “orthodoxy”? Unfortunately, it is Protestant traditions of men that have wreaked havoc on the American church. As a former Reformed pastor, I was part of conversation directly and indirectly regarding the counseling of parents who lost an infant or toddler. One thing that was avoided like the plague was a promise that their baby was in heaven with the Lord. This is due to Augustine’s view of original sin and the authority of the church to forgive sin. The Reformed view on this can be observed in the Calvin Institutes: 2.1.8, 4.16.1, 4.16.17.

Long story short, only babies baptized in the Reformed church have their sins forgiven by the authority of the church. The more I study Reformed theology, the more I understand that assurance is not found in any individual belief or experience, but rather an obedient allegiance to the formal church. This is really a mentality that cuts deep into the Protestant psyche of all stripes and explains indifference to injustice and abuse within. The vehicle may have some rust spots and nasty stains on the upholstery, but it be goin’ to heaven anyway. Also, that’s where you go if you want your totally depraved baby to be saved. I myself used to call them, “little vipers in sanctified diapers.”

It has often been thought that the Bible is ambiguous on this subject save Jesus insisting that the little children be allowed to come to him and King David’s proclamation about the infant that he lost. But biblical answers don’t always come from direct subject material, and in this case, we find comfort in theology. That shouldn’t surprise us, but I am afraid it does. Many mourn in hopelessness because a comforting answer could not be found on a Christian bookstore placard.

The definitive answer is found in Romans. All who are not guilty of sin are not under condemnation and will go to heaven. That’s because those who are not under law are under grace by default. And where there is no law, there is no sin:

Romans 3:19

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19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God.

Romans 4:15

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15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.

Romans 5:13

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13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.

Romans 7:8

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8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.

The next question is when humans, who admittedly bear natural sin, are “under law.” And by the way, if the absence of law leaves no sin, that means particular redemption is erroneous. It means the death of Christ also covered the sins of those who are not under law. But who are they?  The apostle Paul will tell us:

Romans 2:12-16

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12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

Paul is talking about two different kinds of law here: the Old Testament, and the law of God written on every heart of every person born into the world. As an aside, note that this doesn’t bode well for total depravity. Those who have never heard of the Bible will be judged according to the law written on their hearts as administrated by their conscience—either accusing or excusing. Those who have heard of the Bible will be judged by both. Christ was born under the law as well, but that wasn’t a problem for him because he never violated His conscience and could keep the law perfectly. At issue for all others is the development of the conscience that at some point brings the individual under the law. At that point, they need salvation.

So, the natural person does not come under the law written on their heart until they have a developed conscience that knows right from wrong. Where there is no law, there is no sin, and besides that, the death of Christ paid the penalty for natural sin:

Romans 5:19

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19 For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.

So, there are some pastors out there who have a good baby message: the hope of heaven and the exhortation for those under the law to accept the one who is the end of the law: Jesus Christ (ROM 10:4).

All of the Reformed brain trust together is no match for babyology.

paul

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  1. Argo's avatar Argo said, on August 7, 2013 at 1:57 PM

    There is no rational way to argue that babies can be punished for sin. Where there is no knowledge of a law because there is no means by which that knowledge can be obtained, there can be no just condemnation.

    Well done, Paul.

    The ideas tha babies sin is simply ludicrous.

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  2. Argo's avatar Argo said, on August 7, 2013 at 2:00 PM

    Do the severely mentally challenged suffer the flames of hell for sin? Can there be a more egregious and revolting notion?

    God is just. Reformation theology is lawless.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on August 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

      Argo,

      Right, it would seem that ability to be under the law is the crux here. No?

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  3. A Mom's avatar A Mom said, on August 7, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    I absolutely do not believe babies are born sinful. I believe the age of accountability is when they are no longer children. Children are innocent. They do wrong, learn it’s wrong as they grow, but do not understand the full implications of it until they are grown. The definition of sin includes an understanding of what it is & the full implications of it. This is why children & mentally challenged persons are not accountable in the way adults are. Our justice system fully grasps this juvenile vs adult concept better than some educated, degreed modern day Christians.

    You can’t hold someone accountable for what they don’t understand. For example, expecting all 3 year olds to know their multiplication tables is unreasonable. Would you then punish them for their ignorance? That’s what Calvin sets up as Biblical. He assigns to children what he has no right to assign. His belief is propped up on “majority pious belief”, along with other random, strange, inconsistent extrapolations. One inconsistency – Calvin believed God determined the elect from the beginning of creation & there’s no such thing as free will, there’s nothing anyone can do. But he also believed parents baptize their infants into guaranteed salvation. Big glaring contradiction there.

    Many reformed pastors (Sproul, Piper, etc.) teach the concept that God automatically grants saving grace for the “viper in diapers” to go to heaven. It seems this belief goes against what the Bible says: that all sinners must repent & believe. It seems this belief determines saving grace is issued to “vipers in diapers” who don’t (can’t) repent & believe. That the call to repentance & belief applies in certain circumstances only & that it’s not applicable to all sinners. I believe it is always applicable, to all sinners, all the time. I believe infants & children are not sinners in need of saving grace. I don’t believe they are sinners. I don’t believe they need saving grace.

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  4. Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on August 7, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    Reblogged this on Clearcreek Chapel Watch.

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  5. Sigrid the Proud's avatar Sigrid the Proud said, on November 5, 2014 at 11:57 AM

    I pray to my Ancestors Gods that one day this poison called Christianity will be torn out root and branch from the soul of the European Folk and all other Folk for that matter. Fear that day, Christians. Fear the day the Teutonic Fury returns to wreak terrible vengeance upon your sick cult for the things it has done to the Soul of my Folk.
    On that day there will be no mercy only vengeance.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on November 5, 2014 at 1:34 PM

      Sigrid,

      I don’t like church either, but I am happily married. I wonder if there are any Viking dating sites out there for you? Google it.

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