Paul's Passing Thoughts

Are You a “Church” Member of a Little Geneva?

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on November 14, 2012

“Diverting the saints away from a many-faceted application of truth to the narrow mystic prism of Redemptive Historical hermeneutics is the focused and intentional blitzkrieg of the Reformed oligarchy. The sole purpose of this hermeneutic is to stifle independent thought and free thinking.”

“One should note with much ado that ‘sin’ is anything that Reformed elders say it is. Parishioners often assume that Reformed elders define sin worthy of church discipline by a literal biblical definition. While such naivety is adorable, it is far from reality.”

 “And ‘church autonomy’ was not intended to protect either church or state from each other. With Reformed history fresh in their minds, the framers of the constitution sought to prevent cooperation between the two for the expressed protection and well-being of the people.”

“The First Amendment has an ‘ embedded theology’? Really? I will say this as lovingly as I can: if you sign a membership covenant with any church, you need your head examined—the Reformed claim that church membership equals being saved notwithstanding.”  

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TANC, our organization that is in the process of being formed for the purpose of educating the church about Reformed theology, ultimately seeks to have Reformed theology, and Calvinism in particular, labeled as a cult. That is what we will be aggressively propagating with all diligence. And your support is appreciated.

Like all cults, Reformed theology seeks to control their subjects. But why? The reason stems from ancient spiritual caste systems in which an enlightened minority leads the masses. Proponents will include people who merely lust for power along with those with the best of intentions. Initially, governments and religious institutions were one and the same, ruling on earth in God’s behalf. Supposedly. Large numbers of people will buy into this because it offers them some sort of comfort /security, and it is also easy: “I belong to the fill in the blank ; therefore, heaven is guaranteed no matter what I believe or do.”

When these cults are old and survive a long time, they begin to be classified as “religions.” When individuals start religious movements (and ironically) with the exact same elements, they are often labeled, “cults.” Some cults that are poorly managed, and make bad decisions regarding their ancient presuppositions concerning mankind crash with a big bang. Jim Jones’ “People’s Temple” is a good example of this. Others like the Reformed tradition die a social death, but continue on with acceptable adjustments while retaining the same nomenclature. But from time to time the authentic article will resurface as new movements that have “rediscovered” the “true gospel.” This is the exclusiveness claim that is indicative of all cults.

This spiritual caste system always results in tyranny. How cult leaders manage the ebb and flow of comfort versus tyranny determines whether or not their particular brand will reach religious status, or even that of “denomination.” BUT, the same philosophical ideas that drive every cult are always present and operating. In the “success” thereof, the subjects believe that they are receiving something from the religious caste system (cultic religions/denominations) that they otherwise could not receive from God directly. That’s key—direct access to God =’s NO CONTROL.

The proof is in the pudding and John Calvin’s rule over Geneva is well documented and nothing less than Cult 101. The recent “Neo-Calvinism” surge in the church is merely an excellent contemporary study of the same exact elements that drove the tyranny in Geneva. It is a Geneva that the New Calvinists lust for. The only difference is the pesky separation of church and state that exists in many democracies such as the USA. So, they improvise.

Many New Calvinist “churches” pursue close relationships with local authorities with intentionality. A saved policeman that buys into the theology is considered to be a prized possession in Reformed churches. Such individuals can be used to intimidate unofficially, and in some cases, in a construct that is unlawful. For instance, if a Reformed church wants to ban an individual from church premises because of what they know while posing no objective threat to the safety of the parishioners, such a ban may have no lawful merit. And to obtain a restraining order is a due process that may expose the “church” to information that they do not want known. Here is where a phone call from a local police officer, or in my case, someone claiming to be a Springboro, Ohio police detective comes in handy. Churches, in most states, cannot ban members from the premises that do not pose a physical threat to parishioners or create a disturbance (for example, see the Wall Street Journal  report here: http://goo.gl/zgf4R). In-house security details are also becoming popular in Reformed churches. They are used to intimidate and escort individuals from church premises making use of assumed authority by those who submit to their intimidation.

The following are the primary elements of a cult and ever present in Reformed churches as well:

I. Control mechanisms.

A. Small groups.

B. “Accountability”

C. “Mentors”

D. Unearned fast friendships.

a. Part of a reporting structure.

E. Time control.

a. Lots of events scheduled.

II. Love Bombing

A. Love is from the heart and transcends propositional truth.

III. Exclusiveness

A. The “unadjusted,” “underestimated,” “scandalous” gospel.

IV. Authoritative interpretation of truth.

A. The elders are the final authority on what the Bible teaches.

B. Parishioners have no authority to interpret the Bible for themselves.

C. Spiritual growth must include elder preaching.

D. Thinking for yourself is a dangerous stunt that shouldn’t be tried at home.

V. Authority to proclaim salvation status.

A. If the elders proclaim an individual unregenerate, whatever they bind on earth will be bound in heaven.

Reformed theologians control independent interpretation of the Bible through academic intimidation and the Redemptive Historical hermeneutic. To say that most parishioners of our day have been brainwashed into to thinking that they are not qualified to interpret the Bible on their own is a gargantuan understatement. But on top of this, the Redemptive Historical hermeneutic (uniquely of the Reformed tradition) demands a redemptive application for every verse in the Bible. Exegetical propositional truth has been replaced with gospel contemplation and an art (seeing the gospel in every verse of the Bible) reserved for the spiritually enlightened Reformed elders. The totally depraved herd should only be concerned with Jesus saving them more and more each day and not drawing any objective conclusions from the Bible that might disagree with Reformed ideas. Diverting the saints away from a many-faceted application of truth to the narrow mystic prism of Redemptive Historical hermeneutics is the focused and intentional blitzkrieg of the Reformed oligarchy. The sole purpose of this hermeneutic is to stifle independent thought and free thinking.

Yesterday, a reader sent me a review of a new book published from the monstrous New Calvinist propaganda machine which has all but completely polluted mainstream Christianity. A vast majority of Christians now depend on para-Bible information as the “subordinate” truth to live by. While recognizing its subordination to the Bible, they also recognize that they can’t understand the Bible. God’s anointed must interpret it for us.

The email heading was entitled, “Geneva Coming?” Probably not, but only because this is America. However, it is more than fair to say that Calvin’s Geneva was cultish to say the least, and New Calvinists will do everything they can to improvise within the present restrictions. It’s who they are—they can’t help it—they are driven by the same philosophy that drove Calvin. And that is what the new book is about: how to control people with church discipline without getting sued, or at least winning the court case if you do get sued as a church.

This is a necessary book for New Calvinists because what drives their church discipline is not based on a literal interpretation of the Bible—it’s based on controlling ideas and free thinking. Furthermore, non-New Calvinistic churches do not have the intestinal fortitude to stand up against the rampant bogus church discipline plaguing the church. Hence, out of frustration, many seek justice in the civil courts—especially because some of the issues are criminal in nature and not merely civil. In many cases, victims are held hostage at New Calvinist churches; elders disallow departure from membership because the reasons for leaving are “not biblical.” Departure would then result in excommunication. Calvinists believe they have the authority to declare someone unsaved, and whether right or wrong, God will honor it. Hence, to disobey the elders could cause you to lose your salvation. Furthermore, in Reformed circles, to be a member of a church is synonymous with salvation; as one Reformed elder has stated: “Since the church is the Body of Christ, a person cannot be “in Christ” unless he is in the church.” Therefore, to be excommunicated for any reason is synonymous with NOT being “in Christ.” In many states the threat of excommunication to control or stop a decision to leave a church is technically kidnapping. Ohio is a prime example:

Route: Ohio Revised Code » Title [29] XXIX CRIMES – PROCEDURE » Chapter 2905: KIDNAPPING AND EXTORTION

2905.12 Coercion.

(A) No person, with purpose to coerce another into taking or refraining from action concerning which the other person has a legal freedom of choice, shall do any of the following:

(1) Threaten to commit any offense;

(2) Utter or threaten any calumny against any person;

(3) Expose or threaten to expose any matter tending to subject any person to hatred, contempt, or ridicule, to damage any person’s personal or business repute, or to impair any person’s credit;

(4) Institute or threaten criminal proceedings against any person;

(5) Take, withhold, or threaten to take or withhold official action, or cause or threaten to cause official action to be taken or withheld.

(B) Divisions (A)(4) and (5) of this section shall not be construed to prohibit a prosecutor or court from doing any of the following in good faith and in the interests of justice:

(1) Offering or agreeing to grant, or granting immunity from prosecution pursuant to section 2945.44 of the Revised Code;

(2) In return for a plea of guilty to one or more offenses charged or to one or more other or lesser offenses, or in return for the testimony of the accused in a case to which the accused is not a party, offering or agreeing to dismiss, or dismissing one or more charges pending against an accused, or offering or agreeing to impose, or imposing a certain sentence or modification of sentence;

(3) Imposing a community control sanction on certain conditions, including without limitation requiring the offender to make restitution or redress to the victim of the offense.

(C) It is an affirmative defense to a charge under division (A)(3), (4), or (5) of this section that the actor’s conduct was a reasonable response to the circumstances that occasioned it, and that the actor’s purpose was limited to any of the following:

(1) Compelling another to refrain from misconduct or to desist from further misconduct;

(2) Preventing or redressing a wrong or injustice;

(3) Preventing another from taking action for which the actor reasonably believed the other person to be disqualified;

(4) Compelling another to take action that the actor reasonably believed the other person to be under a duty to take.

(D) Whoever violates this section is guilty of coercion, a misdemeanor of the second degree.

(E) As used in this section:

(1) “Threat” includes a direct threat and a threat by innuendo.

(2) “Community control sanction” has the same meaning as in section 2929.01 of the Revised Code.

Effective Date: 01-01-2004

The name of the book that was the subject of the review is, “A Tale of Two Governments” by Robert J. Renaud and Lael D. Weinberger. The review was written by David V. Edling (http://goo.gl/gvPed). Edling is co-author of “Redeeming Church Conflicts”(Baker, 2012) and was the director of church relations at Peacemaker Ministries before his retirement. Peacemaker Ministries was formed to deal with the onslaught of lawsuits resulting from the recent resurgence of authentic Geneva style Calvinism and its tyranny.

The authors and the reviewer bemoan the fact that lawsuits may prevent churches from moving forward with church discipline, and the book apparently offers a clear path to overcoming those fears by implementing protocols that will prevent lawsuits or prevent a negative legal judgment against a church. According to Edling:

While fear of having to interact with the secular courts and fear of man may dampen the zeal to follow the biblical prescription when a church member hardens his or her heart and remains stuck in sin, these authors effectively refute the idea that such excuses hold any validity. The most significant contribution these authors make to life together in the church today is to provide church leaders and members with confidence—confidence that these common fears can be replaced with the knowledge that being biblical is protected by the laws that govern both church and state.

One should note with much ado that “sin” is anything that Reformed elders say it is. Parishioners often assume that Reformed elders define sin worthy of church discipline by a literal biblical definition. While such naivety is adorable, it is far from reality.

Edling continues with the following statement that is chilling to anyone one who knows  the real truth about Reformed doctrine and history:

The foundation for their argument is Scripture. They effectively exegete the relevant passages, including an explanation of how Jesus proclaimed he would build his church by giving men “the keys of the kingdom of heaven” (Matt. 16:18-19), that is, the unique authority both to open the kingdom (through the preaching of the gospel) and to regulate its internal administration (through the practice of church discipline, binding and loosing sin). Using a threefold approach of (1) church history (specifically a “high point” review of 2,000 years of church-state relations); (2) a concise review of the common law and American jurisprudence (the development of the current legal doctrine called “church autonomy”); and (3) practical theology (how to keep your church out of court), Renaud and Weinberger deftly weave together their “tale” that leaves the reader with only one conclusion: if we are wise, we need not fear the courts or the reaction of our church members as we fulfill the call of Christ to love his people and build his church as he has directed using church discipline to restore, protect, and keep pure that for which he died.

Did Christ give Reformed elders a “unique” authority to “bind and loose sin” on earth? The apostles claimed no such “unique authority,” but rather constantly referred to the authority of Scripture and the ability of the saints to interpret it for themselves (Acts 17:11). The apostle Paul called on everyday saints to judge what the true gospel is for themselves (Galatians 1:8), and to only follow leaders AS they follow Christ. Furthermore, you can be certain that the authors only cover the “high point[s]” of Reformed history as it is saturated with the blood of those who disagreed with the Reformers. In the same way that people pick their noses in their cars and somehow think others cannot see them, Reformed elders think that the bloody oligarchy of Reformed history cannot be read. And “church autonomy” was not intended to protect either church or state from each other. With Reformed history fresh in their minds, the framers of the constitution sought to prevent cooperation between the two for the expressed protection and well-being of the people.

The reviewer continues with the following statement that can only be said to reveal how ignorant they believe the saints are:

What does it mean for the church to “be wise” from a secular legal perspective in light of the many court cases that have been decided over the years? As these authors summarize, church leaders must be aware of legal principles that will protect the church in its practice of discipline. Failure to stay within these boundaries may leave the church unprotected. The “church autonomy” doctrine is built on the First Amendment’s embedded theology that God established two separate but equal governments, but the First Amendment doesn’t necessarily bar all claims that may touch on religious conduct. To protect the legal distinction church leaders must understand that their jurisdiction to practice discipline depends on following the law. Central to understand is the “implied consent” that exists in a truly voluntary relationship between church and member (typically through formal membership), that an act of discipline must be grounded in a church’s doctrinal commitments that have been clearly articulated and are supported by recognized religious belief and practice, and that the church must have a clearly stated policy for the practice of biblical church discipline (usually set forth in its constitution or bylaws). Further, church leaders must help members understand the limits of confidentiality because church discipline, by definition, requires others knowing of the continuing sin in the life of one who fails to repent and change.

Here is the assertion that the church and the state are two separate “governments” with the church having its own “jurisdiction.” This mentality should send cold chills running up the back of any thinking person while running to reread the membership covenant they signed. The First Amendment has an “ embedded theology”? Really? I will say this as lovingly as I can: if you sign a membership covenant with any church, you need your head examined—the Reformed claim that church membership equals being saved notwithstanding.

In his conclusion, the reviewer states the following:

Consider whether your church may be failing to obey God’s appointed means of soul care through the faithful and consistent practice of redemptive church discipline.

“Redemptive church discipline”? What’s that? The Scriptures never use the term “church discipline” let alone the former. That term should alert you that something may not be exactly right. I address church discipline issues in detail via a free ebook available on this blog:  https://paulspassingthoughts.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ebook-church-discipline.pdf  and for good measure: https://paulspassingthoughts.com/2012/02/09/new-calvinism-and-hotel-california/

Meanwhile, don’t join a little Geneva. And if you’re in one get out. You’re in a cult. A doctrine/philosophy of control equals cult regardless of the nomenclature.

paul

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  1. trust4himonly-'s avatar trust4himonly- said, on November 15, 2012 at 3:25 PM

    Ummm…. Gracewriterandy- there are a VAST amount of churches where the leaders are charlatans. Sooo…. what recourse does the lay member have in these cases? The “discipline” to deal with the member of a church is far easier to deal with then the “discipline” of a pastor, all a church has to do is dissociate the member from the rest of the flock and let the Lord deal with the sinner- IF it is the sin of sexual misconduct, false teaching, or other gross misconduct that would hurt the flock. From what I have been seeing is that members are being flogged for just having differences in theology of the church or seeing misconduct going on and reporting it (like money fraud, pedophilia, adultery of a church leader). WOW! Is this what Jesus and the disciples were saying in Scripture that needs to be dealt with? I do not see anywhere where this is so…..In fact, I see that most of Scripture is the prophets, Christ, and the disciples dealings with false prophets, oppressive kings, false teachers, and charlatans, not members of the church. I see a lot of encouragement and LOVE on the part of Jesus and Paul when dealing with members of the body of Christ- which seems to be missing in many of your posts. When I went to a Reformed church that is the one thing I did noticed and experienced is the lack of encouragement and LOVE- oh no, can’t rely on the Holy Spirit to work on the believer, this is the PASTORS (I mean PRIESTS) duty to see that the lay member is properly vetted for the Kingdom of God. When pastors start to take control in this way in a church- watch out! Church of Rome here we come.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on November 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM

      T4H,

      Not only that, Luke 9:46 – An argument arose among them as to which of them was the greatest. 47 But Jesus, knowing the reasoning of their hearts, took a child and put him by his side 48 and said to them, “Whoever receives this child in my name receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me. For he who is least among you all is the one who is great.” 49 John answered, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he does not follow with us.” 50 But Jesus said to him, “Do not stop him, for the one who is not against you is for you.”

      This deals with someone doing ministry who wasn’t under the authority of the apostles. Christ’s answer is pretty plain. And then there is this (emphasis added):

      1Corinthians 3:18 – Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21 So let no one boast in men. For all things are yours 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are Christ’s, and Christ is God’s.

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  2. trust4himonly's avatar trust4himonly said, on November 15, 2012 at 3:27 PM

    There is no where in Scripture that we are required to sign covenants- Period!

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  3. gracewriterrandy's avatar gracewriterrandy said, on November 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM

    trust4himonly,

    There is no place in Scripture that says we are required to get a marriage license, sign marriage certificates, or have any kind of ceremony. Should I assume you don’t believe in legal marriage?

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on November 15, 2012 at 3:59 PM

      Randy,

      I beg your pardon. The OT had clear legal guidelines for marriage. Unlike church membership which is conspicuously ambiguous in the NT.

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  4. gracewriterrandy's avatar gracewriterrandy said, on November 15, 2012 at 4:03 PM

    Trust4himonly,

    Do I understand you properly that you are advocating for churches without any human shepherds at all. It appears to me that the NT Scriptures teach that elders are to take oversight [the meaning of the word bishop] of the flock.

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  5. gracewriterrandy's avatar gracewriterrandy said, on November 15, 2012 at 4:08 PM

    Where does the OT tell us to get a license or sign a marriage certificate?

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on November 15, 2012 at 4:49 PM

      Randy, please don’t be a dweeb. We are to obey every ordinance of man which includes getting a marriage license. That’s why we do it. There are also biblical mandates that address marriage issues that civil law doesn’t address. As far as church membership, none of these considerations exist. We are to gather with Christians and fellowship together under the leadership of gifted men, but they are not to lord it over the flock, and they have no authority beyond Scripture.

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  6. gracewriterrandy's avatar gracewriterrandy said, on November 15, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    Loosely translated, you don’t have an answer. Of course we do it because civil law requires it, but you can’t argue legitiimately that something should not be done because the Scripture doesn’t mention it. Baptist churches have stated for decades if not for centuries that a duly consituted church consists in a body of baptized believers united by covenant etc. The covenant isn’t the problem. It is the abuse of the practice that is the problem. I am not advocating for abuse of the sheep anymore than you are. I have fought against authoritarianism for decades. Still, the answer is not to get rid of agreements and discipline, but to deal with the real problem.

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  7. gracewriterrandy's avatar gracewriterrandy said, on November 15, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    I don’t believe I have suggested that elders have any authority beyond Scripture have I?

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  8. trust4himonly's avatar trust4himonly said, on November 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

    GWR-
    First, before Paul there were marriage contracts, Scripture says so….. “I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee [Israel], and thou becomest mine [i.e. my wife]” (Ezek.16:8). So we see here that Christ equates His relationship with Israel as a contract/covenant like as of a wife and husband.

    Here is another example of this: “When for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce” (Jer. 3:8).
    Also by reading 1 Corinthians 7, you will see a whole chapter dealing with marriage and divorce- obviously, if one was to divorce it would have to involve a contract of some sort to be severed.

    The other instant of a contract/covenant is the Lord with the church:

    2 Corinthians 11:2
    For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband, to present you as a pure virgin to Christ.

    No where does it say that the members of a church have a contract/covenant with a pastor, but only with Christ Himself. Which wherever that person is with other Christians they are the Bride.

    Secondly, you have produce a nifty ad hominem fallacy by implying that I do not believe that a church should have a pastor or shepherd. Did I ever state this? I think not. I just believe that a Pastor or elder do not have rights over another individual to EVEN demand that they live righteous, but to EXHORT and ENCOURAGE them to live righteously. If that person does not live according to the standards set by Scripture (mind you not standards set by the pastor) then that congregation can expell that individual from the church so that God will deal with Him. I trust that the Holy Spirit will do just that. But what we do see in large amounts is abuse of pastors with their church congregations and this is deplorable in Gods sight, and yes we may not see retribution in this lifetime but God counts all the tears of His Bride.

    Ps. 23:1-6 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want. He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name’s sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. You anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows. Surely goodness and love will follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.

    In ALL ways, Christ taught that a shepherd is to be humble and in care of his sheep, not arrogance and pride. You show me a church where this being presented then you will have shown me a rare thing today.

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  9. trust4himonly's avatar trust4himonly said, on November 15, 2012 at 8:38 PM

    Hmmm….another interesting thing here. Christ says that we already have a covenant with Him as a Christian, so does this mean we are doing double covenants when we sign on with a church? so does this not mean that this would be a conflict of interest? Who are we signing to, man or Christ when we sign covenants with a particular church? Then when we end up going to another church we are then signing more covenants? It seems to me that the only covenant is the one we sign on at the time of our belief and trust in the Savior-
    By the way God does not care for conflicts of interest- He is a jealous God.

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  10. Unknown's avatar lydiasellerofpurple said, on November 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM

    “You might want to stop telling me what I am assuming since you don’t have a clue what I believe about this issue. “He [or she] who answers a matter before hearing it, it is a shame unto him.” As I recall, you have never actually asked me what I believe about the issue of church polity relative to elder rule. Yet, you freely tell me what I believe about the issue. The problem is you seem to have a problem with any kind of leadership unless it is yours.””
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    Randy, All you are telling me here is to not believe the words you write in your comments. Ok. done. I can only go by your words here. I don’t read minds. I respond to YOUR WORDS. You “added” elders in there where they do not appear in the text.

    (Folks, I get this ALL THE TIME on YRR, NC blogs. They write words then tell me I don’t know what they believe as if the words they had just written no longer count depending on the response. It is bizarre. Do they say what they mean and mean what they say? My experience which is a lot, is NO. If there is one thing I have learned living at ground zero is that folks from this determinist god movement are constantly talking in circles. It is the way they try to control and direct the convo when you point out the obvious, they try to muddy the waters. Oh, and they are very good at quoting scripture, esp proverbs, to rebuke you. Mahaney is the master of this tactic.)

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