Should SGM Investigation and Lawsuit Include Ligon Duncan?
Regarding “Pastor” Ligon Duncan’s formal statement in defense of CJ Mahaney and SGM “ministries,” I think a reader here at PPT makes a brilliant point. First, let me reprint the Duncan statement:
“I would then encourage you to ignore the assaults of wounded people on attack websites and blogs, and that you discount the opinings of those who have no real knowledge of these matters or relation to SGM or authority to comment upon them, and that you refrain from assuming that you (or they) are in a position to render judgment on these things.”
The reader had these observations in regard to Duncan’s defense of Mahaney:
And as far as discounting opinings…he says we should do that if they have no REAL knowledge or any relation to sovgracemin.org. Does he have REAL knowledge? I would think REAL knowledge lies with the key players, and “relation to SGM” would, imo [in my opinion], surely mean a bit more than just standing on stage together at conferences. Does he have a real relation to SGM? I don’t see how he can. Since he does not have any REAL knowledge, I will be happy to submit to and obey his third admonition and refrain from assuming that he is in a position to render any judgment on these things…his opining is dismissed.
Good point, and reveals the sheer stupidity of Duncan in contrast to his arrogant opinion of his own supposed intelligence. Maybe. This brilliant point by the reader begs an even deeper question: if Duncan is not guilty of what he is accusing others of, what did he know; and when did he know it? Being informed of a crime against a child and not reporting it to authorities is a crime; in and of itself.
Perhaps Al Mohler and Mark Dever are more intelligent than I give them credit for. I have always thought the two of them were just mindless Kool-Aid drinkers regurgitating the musings of a murdering mystic despot rediscovered by a Seventh-day Adventist. But now my assumptions are being brought into doubt—due to the fact that they are keeping their mouths shut. It’s wise to only defend your “friend” until the real truth starts coming out via people who the book-buying conference groupie Sponge Bob masses will listen to.
After that, well, that’s what buses are for.
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I believe Al has said enough and he knows it. If you go back and look at the quotes he gave a reporter at the Courier Journal concerning CJ Mahaney stepping down, they are pretty damning toward Al in this mess.
http://blogs.courier-journal.com/faith/2011/07/12/mohler-backs-mahaney-dismisses-accusations-of-abusive-leadership/
“The Sovereign Grace network is separate from the Southern Baptist Convention, the affiliate of Southern Seminary, but Mohler praised Mahaney’s group as “one of the most vital movements of church planting and evangelism and church development in this generation.”
Mohler added: “Any time you’re going to take on the role of leadership, you’re going to have critics.”
Mohler also supported Sovereign Grace’s highly centralized leadership structure in its churches, with “very strong pastoral direction” and internal discipline.
“It’s something clearly called for in the New Testament,” he said.
Mohler said he knew this practice has had online critics for years.
“Basically there are people who are very uncomfortable with the strong kind of spiritual direction that comes through the Sovereign Grace Ministries,” Mohler said. “It’s very hard to criticize it on biblical terms, as you’ll see on most of those Web sites. It basically comes down to the criticism, ‘I don’t like that.’”
I would bet the Trustees told him to keep his mouth shut for a while and stop talking to reporters about CJ. Even though CJ has moved to Louisville to be “near the seminary”. And CJ’s son in law and others from SGM are now attending SBTS to get real educations. There is also talk of some sort of merger or partnnership with CJ’s fake pastors college at SGM and SBTS.
While I doubt Mohler cares about molested 3 year olds being forced to face their molester and say, ‘I forgive you” by SGM trrained pastors, he does care about his own reputation so it will be playing the fence and being careful for a while.
He probably wishes CJ had not moved to Louisville but he will act like he has nothing to do with it all the while the narcissist CJ is tweeting his fawning accolades of Mohler and helping promote his book. See, the problem is, CJ’s empire is crumbling and he brings less grativas to the table. Al is not going to need him anymore but what to do when you have promoted a guy like that for so long?
I never did get it. I can remember first hearing CJ years back with T4G and thinking he was a silly giggly man who seemed to overdo it with his fawning over the other guys. He was too obvious and I could not understand why others could not see it. Brainwashing? Believing whatever the big cheeses tell you to believe?
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