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Reformed “Total Depravity” and Yin-Yang

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on October 26, 2012

Most Christians are familiar with the Reformed view of total depravity from the T.U.L.I.P acrostic fame. Mankind, being totally depraved, cannot and will not seek God. This is also often prefaced with “also known as Total Inability and Original Sin.” This leads to the logical progression of Unconditional Election, or the “U.” God didn’t choose us because of anything worthy in us. Well, of course not. This leads to Limited Atonement, often prefaced with “also known as Particular Atonement.” This and the “I,” Irresistible Grace, is where most of the arguments come in according to the free will/sovereign grace debate. There is almost no disagreement with the “P,” or Perseverance of the Saints, often prefaced with, “also known as Once Saved Always Saved.”  Few argue about that as discussion swirls about regarding “I’m a fill in the blank: 1-5 point Calvinist.”

So goes the arguments around, and round, and round for 500 years now, and with no resolution. Why? Because the arguments are based on a faulty understanding of the doctrine. This is evident from the idea that you can be a partial-point advocate of Calvinism. The points depend on each other. It’s like saying you’re a partial advocate of the equation, 1+1+1+1+1=5. Moreover, once there is an understanding of what makes Calvinism tick, the free will/sovereign grace issue is exposed as just an inferior byproduct of the big picture.

We begin with the dirty little secret concerning the “T.” The total depravity of man (original sin) is also the total depravity of the saints. It has come to the point where neo-Calvinists have had to come clean on this of late. And if you are paying attention, they are constantly saying that we (Christians) are “wicked sinners saved by grace,” “enemies of God,” “no different than unbelievers,” etc, etc, etc. This ministry has a storehouse of data confirming this. Calvin himself stated that Christians are utterly unable please God in any way (Calvin Institutes: Book 3; ch. 14, sections 9-11). The fact that this idea flies in the face of the apostle’s stated goal of pleasing God, whether here or in glory, is irrelevant because of how Calvin approached the Scriptures. Reformed theology is not based on exegesis by any stretch of the imagination.

We remain totally depraved. We remain completely evil. We don’t change. This is foundational to Reformed theology. It also brings us to the next dirty little secret: “P” or, once saved always saved, is not “true” in the way most Christians think it is from a Reformed viewpoint. The perseverance of the saints is really Christ persevering for us. Hence, Christians “manifest” Christ’s perseverance.  This is simple math. How can the totally depraved persevere? Once Calvinists have to come clean on the total depravity of the saints, the house of cards will fall. The “P” as worded indicates that the saints have a part in the persevering—this is a deliberate, deceptive lie. Something else is going on. But what?

We get a clue from beginnings. Specifically, Genesis and the first sentence of the Calvin Institutes. In the very first sentence of the Calvin Institutes, Calvin states that ALL wisdom comes from a deeper and deeper understanding of God, and ourselves. That’s his metaphysics and epistemology, and is appropriately stated in the very first sentence of his magnum opus. But wait. If we are evil and remain evil, and God is good, is this not the same thing as the “knowledge of good and evil”? Where have we heard that before? This is the knowledge that the Serpent tempted Eve with. He told her God was withholding true wisdom from her which could be found by eating the fruit from the tree of “the knowledge of good and evil.”

Basically, we have Calvin agreeing with Satan in regard to what true knowledge is. But is ALL knowledge ALWAYS the best wisdom? Is all metaphysics good metaphysics? Obviously, sin was a knowledge that Adam and Eve knew nothing about. They had to sin to get the sin knowledge. Let me repeat that in another way because it’s an important element: they had to disobey God to get the knowledge and actually experience it.

The Bible states the details of Satan’s fall and the entering of evil into reality or, what is (metaphysics). The passages are Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:11-19. At that point, no doubt, evil was born into the knowledge of reality. But was that a good thing? And hold on to this question for now: did God need evil to better define Himself?

Since the garden, men and women have founded many philosophies on the idea of good and evil being the full knowledge of reality. The whole metaphysical story if you will. They often made that knowledge equal with wisdom, and wisdom being good, in and of itself. Added was the idea that good and evilas moral verses immoral is not reality, but was contrived by men because of their misunderstanding of true reality. This is known as Dualism and is the foundation of most false religions of all kinds with thousands of variances. Basically however, it’s the idea that the invisible reality is a higher knowledge than the material, and cannot be obtained through what the five senses can ascertain. The goal (in some cases) is to join the spiritual with the physical by accessing the spiritual (invisible). By gaining a deeper and deeper knowledge of both invisible and material, the invisible can be experienced in the material realm resulting in wellbeing.

We see this concept in the most ancient of civilizations; eg, oriental culture. The goal of the Yin-Yang (literally, “shadow and light”) is to gain understanding of both which leads to an understanding of reality because opposites give definition to each other. Darkness can’t be understood without light etc. Likewise, “the good” or God, can’t be understood without evil. Hence, reality is made up of opposites (male, female, etc), and understanding the opposites and how they define each other is the key (epistemology) to understanding reality. That’s the gest.

And let there be no doubt—this basic idea is the foundation of Reformed theology. Again, the math is simple. If we don’t change—if we remain evil—there is only one place left to go: Mystic Dualism. But how do they make this work? It’s not that difficult, and can be seen throughout Reformed teachings. First, all of the magnificent teachings in Reformed theology are mostly about how great God is. We focus on that (who wouldn’t!), we are mesmerized by that (who wouldn’t be!), and miss what is missing: learn and apply. Learn and apply isn’t the point; more and more knowledge of the good (God) and the evil (us) is supposedly the point. Stopping to apply God things to our life cuts off the God experience achieved through the knowledge of both.

The Reformed camp states it all the time: “Seeing God’s holiness as set against my own sinfulness is the key to transformation.” Al Mohler says it all the time. Elyse Fitzpatrick says it all the time. John Piper says it all the time. CJ Mahaney says it all the time. It’s a first-degree theological felony performed in broad daylight under the cover of how awesome God is—a very powerful cover! It reminds me of my frog-gigging days with my grandfather: the rays from the flashlight paralyze the bullfrog, and then you spear his stupidity.

I have often posted the New Calvinist cross chart on this blog, and sigh, I will do it again at the end of this post. This is their chart, not mine, and what is more obvious? We don’t change. By seeing God’s holiness more and more, and our sinfulness more and more, the cross gets bigger. This lends to powerful “rhetorical” questions that argue the case such as, “Do you want to be bigger? Or do you want the cross to be bigger?” “Do you want what you do to be bigger? Or what Christ did on the cross to be bigger?” This is very powerful; primarily, because it was hatched from the minds of demons. But if you stop and think for a while, you might stop and ask: “The cross getting bigger; what does that look like? How is that experienced?”

Good question, and the key is the word EXPERIENCE. What we experience is not necessarily who we are. We can experience the cross getting bigger—that doesn’t necessarily mean we are bigger. We can experience the cross in our lives as we use the Scriptures to see the glory of God and our own sinfulness (Chrsitocentric, or gospel-centered hermeneutics). And, that experience leads to more UNDERSTANDING which leads to more experience, or a “transformation from glory to glory.” But the experience is separate from who we are, more like a manifestation in the realm in which we exist. Therefore, we may experience an obedient act in our lives, but it is not really us obeying, it is the “active obedience” of Christ imputed to us. This is why New Calvinists often say that our obedience, when it is real obedience, isn’t experienced in what feels like “self-effort,” or “obedience in our own effort.” As Francis Chan states:

When we work for Christ out of obligation, it feels like work. But when we truly love Christ, our work is a manifestation [emphasis Added] of that love and it feels like love (Crazy Love: p.110).

That’s because we are experiencing the obedience of Christ imputed to us, and not an obedience that we exercise. Hence, as New Calvinist Chad Bresson often states, it’s a “mere natural flow.” Other Reformed teachers call obedience “kinesthetic” or “experienced, not performed.” It is also interesting what the first tenet of New Covenant Theology states:

New Covenant Theology insists on the priority of Jesus Christ over all things, including history, revelation, and redemption.  New Covenant Theology presumes a Christocentricity to the understanding and meaning of all reality.

This simply means that “all reality” is interpreted through the gospel; ie, the aforementioned cross chart. So, gospel contemplationism leads to experiencing “grace,” and that experience leads to an even deeper understanding of grace, leading to more deeper and deeper experiences of grace. Or, “spiritual formation.” Or, “heart transformation.”

What about sin? Well, remember, the cross, or the cross experience, gets bigger as we gain a deeper and deeper knowledge of our own sin as well as God’s holiness. Therefore, our sin serves to give us a deeper understanding of both the Yin and the Yang. In this case, God’s holiness “as set against our sinfulness.” The experience of both, one fruit (Christ’s imputation), and thorns (our sin) contribute to knowledge of the good which leads to deeper experiences of grace. The latter is the theme of Paul David Tripp’s How People Change published by Punch Press in 2006. I included a visual illustration from that book at the end of this post along with the cross chart for your viewing pleasure. Anyone familiar with Gnostic dualism will immediately recognize the cybernetic loop of experience that leads to deeper knowledge through reinforcement, and hence deeper experiences of the spiritual, or the gospel.

There are two fundamental problems with this approach. Serious problems. First, it sees the necessity of understanding evil to better understand God. Evil is factual, but it isn’t God’s truth—He doesn’t need it to define His Holiness. The idea is the epitome of vileness. Secondly, this philosophy encourages an endeavor that Scripture forbids—dwelling on that which is not honorable (Philippians 4:8 among a myriad of other texts). We are to learn what sin is in order to put it off in our lives, not to inflate our supposed identity as among the totally depraved in order to glorify God. This is all a complete distortion of sanctification reality.

In the final equation, total depravity being total inability in both justification and sanctification is the dirty little secret that completely unravels Reformed theology. When we remain unchanged, there is only one formula left: mysticism, and interpreting obedience as something performed by Christ and only experienced by us. In the same way that Adam and Eve could only know evil by experiencing it, we can only know good through experience, but are not able to practice it ourselves. In other words, in the fall, ability to perform and experience our own performance of good was supposedly reversed with evil. Now, we can only perform evil and experience the good imputed to us by Christ’s obedient life as part of the atonement, and added to His, apparently, not all sufficient death. You can add that as a third reason to believe Reformed theology is nothing short of repugnant.

This is elementary. The simple knowledge of what total depravity really means leaves the whole Reformed house in ruins. The only thing that now adds up is the misery, blood, and oceans of foolish ink left in its wake.

paul

 

 

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  1. Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on October 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM

    Reblogged this on Clearcreek Chapel Watch.

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  2. lydiasellerofpurple's avatar lydiasellerofpurple said, on October 26, 2012 at 10:26 PM

    “There are two fundamental problems with this approach. Serious problems. First, it sees the necessity of understanding evil to better understand God. Evil is factual, but it isn’t God’s truth—He doesn’t need it to define His Holiness. The idea is the epitome of vileness. Secondly, this philosophy encourages an endeavor that Scripture forbids—dwelling on that which is not honorable (Philippians 4:8 among a myriad of other texts). We are to learn what sin is in order to put it off in our lives, not to inflate our supposed identity as among the totally depraved in order to glorify God. This is all a complete distortion of sanctification reality.”

    Is it just me or does this sound like planning dates with satan? It is like the old counterfeit metaphor. You don’t focus on the counterfeit but the real currency. That way you always recognize the counterfeit when it comes by. In this case, we want to BE like the REAL thing.

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  3. lydiasellerofpurple's avatar lydiasellerofpurple said, on October 26, 2012 at 10:29 PM

    http://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/peter_lumpkins/2012/10/divine-determinism-a-textbook-example.html

    Did you see this?

    Here is an excerpt from Calvin that he uses to make a point:

    “Let us suppose, for example, that a merchant, after entering a forest in company with trust-worthy individuals, imprudently strays from his companions and wanders bewildered till he falls into a den of robbers and is murdered. His death was not only foreseen by the eye of God, but had been fixed by his decree.” (emphasis added, //link).”

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  4. JeffB's avatar JeffB said, on October 29, 2012 at 4:01 PM

    Paul –

    Calvin never defines total depravity as being “completely evil.” In 2.2.15, he writes: “Whenever we come upon these matters in secular writers, let that admirable light of truth shining in them teach us that the mind of man, though fallen and perverted from its wholeness, *is nevertheless clothed and ornamented with God’s excellent gifts.* ” He then writes about achievement in medicine, mathematics, etc. Finally, in this section, he writes: “Those men whom Scripture [1 Cor. 2:14] calls ‘natural men’ were, indeed, sharp and penetrating in their investigation of inferior things. Let us, accordingly, learn by their example *how many gifts the Lord left to human nature even after it was despoiled of its true good.* ”

    If all people were completely evil, we’d probably wipe ourselves out in a day.

    You wrote: “We remain totally depraved. We remain completely evil. We don’t change. This is foundational to Reformed theology.” In 3.14.9, Calvin writes: “We confess that while through the intercessions of Christ’s righteousness God reconciles us to himself, and by free remission of sins accounts us righteous, his beneficence is at the same time joined with such a mercy *that through his Holy Spirit he dwells in us and by his power the lusts of our flesh are each day more and more mortified; we are indeed sanctified, that is, consecrated to the Lord in true purity of life, with our hearts formed to obedience to the law.* ”

    Also, for the sake of accuracy, The Institutes begins with: “*Nearly* all the wisdom we possess, that is to say, true and sound wisdom, consists of two parts : the knowledge of God and of ourselves.”

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on October 29, 2012 at 7:09 PM

      Jeff,

      Calvin was doublespeaking and nuanced. “We are indeed sanctified, that is, consecrated to the Lord in true purity of life, with our hearts formed to obedience to the law.* ”
      Calvin was not saying here that WE change. “Our hearts” = a manifestation of Christ’s righteousness. In chapter 14 of book 3, he makes it clear that CHRISTIANS C-A-N-N-O-T do one work that is acceptable to God. They cannot please God in anyway because because their best deeds on their best day are tainted with evil. That’s Christians, let alone lost people.

      So, they aren’t totally depraved, but they have no ability to please God and their best deeds are worthy of condemnation,

      Ok, well, whatever.

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  5. lydia's avatar lydia said, on October 29, 2012 at 11:48 PM

    Jeff, Read Jesus over and over and over and over and over for years. Then you won’t be able to stand Calvin. You will see him for what he was. A tyrant who complicated it all and spoke out of both sides of his mouth. For the life of me, I cannot understand why folks cannot read history and figure this out. You cannot separate what he DID with what he believed and wrote what he thought was truth. God decreed him to have Servetus arrested? To support his burning? (which he did). God supported the persecution of Anabaptists? The banishments? The torture and imprisonments? Calvin believed in a determinist god, remember?

    Some really good insight into Calvin comes from the story of Ann Lefert (sp/). I wish I could remember the book..

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  6. JeffB's avatar JeffB said, on October 30, 2012 at 1:54 PM

    Paul,

    Would you say that your best work on your best day is completely devoid of, say, pride? I know that mine isn’t. Calvin doesn’t say that, therefore, there’s no point in performing works. He says over and over again that God will accept and reward them anyway. 3.15.4: “Yet because he examines our works according to his tenderness, not his supreme right, he therefore accepts them as if they were perfectly pure; and for that reason, although unmerited, they are rewarded with infinite benefits, both of the present life and the life to come.”

    When I read Calvin, I feel hope. When I read Mahaney, Driscoll, some of Piper, etc., I don’t. I know that you are, to put it mildly, not too fond of Michael Horton, but, on balance, I do not put him in the same category as these others. His book, “For Calvinism,” is, I think, a more accurate reading of Calvin than the others have provided. He also takes potshots at fellow Calvinists. For instance, he says that one of his seminary professors “used to say that we Calvinists are the only people who often seem proud of knowing we’re totally depraved!” If that isn’t Mahaney, I don’t know who is. I plan to go over your articles on Horton again.

    Lydia,

    In that book, Horton writes, “I relish sitting at Calvin’s feet, reading his sermons and commentaries, but I am glad that I do not live in sixteenth-century Geneva.” (FWIW, Calvin did not support Servetus’ burning – he asked that he be beheaded, but was refused.)

    There’s no excusing Calvin for some things he did, just as there’s no excusing Luther for his diatribes against Jews. I myself am Jewish, but I still admire Luther for his courageous stand for justification by faith alone. Must we ignore all that these two wrote because they greatly sinned? I don’t think there’s always a one-to-one correspondence between their words and actions. Everyone sometimes sins contrary to what they believe.

    There is videotape of Billy Graham saying that devout adherents of all faiths will be saved whether or not they accept/receive Jesus. Should we therefore discount all that he has said? I’m not equating this with what Luther and Calvin did, but it’s certainly a heretical statement, and I believe he said it more than once. Some have chalked it up to senility, but this was years ago, and he did not seem to be senile.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on October 30, 2012 at 3:23 PM

      Jeff,

      “Would you say that your best work on your best day is completely devoid of, say, pride?” YES, ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE the word states that I was created for “good works” God calls them good works–and that’s good enough for me.
      Calvin states that they are “unmerited” works. That’s not true. And that is why he has to hold to one resurrection and one judgement. He must deny the judgement for rewards and make the reward strictly eternal life only. And Horton is an idiot. Excusing Calvin for the times he lived in and trying to say he was only guilty of putting one person to death, and even in that was a good guy for trying to have him beheaded as an act of mercy. Calvin was responsible for the executions of hundreds of people for various sins and disagreeing with the Calvin Institutes.

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  7. JeffB's avatar JeffB said, on November 1, 2012 at 12:57 AM

    Horton only said what I put in quotes. The rest is mine. I didn’t mean to imply that Servetus was the only person whose death partially implicated Calvin. I was responding to Lydia’s assertion that Calvin wanted Servetus to be burnt.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on November 1, 2012 at 5:27 AM

      Jeff,

      Thanks for the clarification.

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