paulspassingthoughts said, on October 1, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Julie Anne,
New Calvinism is the resurgence of authentic Calvinism. Those two are no different. When the resurgences of authentic Calvinism die throughout history, a more civil form and theologically correct version lives on and functions within mainstream Christianity, and in some cases, helping it. These are “sanctified Calvinists.” Jay Adams is probably the best example of a sanctified Calvinist. So there are 3: authentic, new, and sanctified. New is a return of the authentic which is why Wilson uses the terms interchangeably. Good question.
What points of doctrine are different between a Calvinist/New Calvinist and a Sanctified Calvinist? This is the first time I have heard the term Sanctified Calvinist. It honestly sounds no better (maybe worse) than the term Calvinist.
paulspassingthoughts said, on October 1, 2012 at 3:11 PM
Bridget,
The Calvinism that lives on when the authentic dies a social death (while unfortunately retaining the name) is distinct in doctrine regarding the following: the Calvinism that lives on separates justification and sanctification. Authentic Calvinism fuses the two together. Sanctified Calvinists believe that justification is a finished work that does not have to be maintained via Christ obeying the law for us in sanctification. They rightly separate justification and kingdom living. However, they retain a lot of other reformed thought that is actually a contradiction to their proper soteriology. New Calvinism is merely a rebirth of the authentic. The resurgent movements: 1730 (The First Great Awakening [Colonial Calvinism]), 1858 (Higher Life Movement [perfection in the life of Christ alone]), 1888 (Progressive Adventism [White, Wagoner attempt to reform SDA with Calvinism]), and 1970, (the Australian Forum [became Sonship theology, then Gospel Sanctification, now New Calvinism]).
paulspassingthoughts said, on October 1, 2012 at 6:11 PM
Julie Anne,
It’s not the desert air. For the past 62 years in the American church, teaching that really matters has been nonexistent. But to answer your question concerning the equation you presented: YES, they all equal Calvinism.
Paul –
Thanks for that response. It is what I would expect. I still don’t understand what men esteem about following orthodoxy and not always thinking for themselves.
lydiasellerofpurple@yahoo.com said, on October 2, 2012 at 5:13 PM
I think a good way to think of this is that we can coexist with “sanctified” Calvinists because they actually believe they have some responsiblity in sanctification. Some of them are appalled at what is coming out of the NC/YRR movement. But historically, Calvinism either dies out or becomes much more liberal.
Doug Wilson is John Piper’s new BFF. Shows you had far the movement has fallen when it embraces a white supremecist dominionist. And I can tell you why. Piper has made gender roles front and center for salvation and Wilson has some very legalistic teaching on it. He is the king of the patriarchy.
paulspassingthoughts said, on October 2, 2012 at 5:49 PM
Lydia,
Thanks, good points, but let us not forget that sanctified Calvinists are in serious denial about what Calvin really taught. Either the Old are right about what he taught, or the New. The New are right.
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Paul – Is he using the words “Calvinism” and “New Calvinism” interchangeably? I thought they were different.
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Julie Anne,
New Calvinism is the resurgence of authentic Calvinism. Those two are no different. When the resurgences of authentic Calvinism die throughout history, a more civil form and theologically correct version lives on and functions within mainstream Christianity, and in some cases, helping it. These are “sanctified Calvinists.” Jay Adams is probably the best example of a sanctified Calvinist. So there are 3: authentic, new, and sanctified. New is a return of the authentic which is why Wilson uses the terms interchangeably. Good question.
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Paul –
What points of doctrine are different between a Calvinist/New Calvinist and a Sanctified Calvinist? This is the first time I have heard the term Sanctified Calvinist. It honestly sounds no better (maybe worse) than the term Calvinist.
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Bridget,
The Calvinism that lives on when the authentic dies a social death (while unfortunately retaining the name) is distinct in doctrine regarding the following: the Calvinism that lives on separates justification and sanctification. Authentic Calvinism fuses the two together. Sanctified Calvinists believe that justification is a finished work that does not have to be maintained via Christ obeying the law for us in sanctification. They rightly separate justification and kingdom living. However, they retain a lot of other reformed thought that is actually a contradiction to their proper soteriology. New Calvinism is merely a rebirth of the authentic. The resurgent movements: 1730 (The First Great Awakening [Colonial Calvinism]), 1858 (Higher Life Movement [perfection in the life of Christ alone]), 1888 (Progressive Adventism [White, Wagoner attempt to reform SDA with Calvinism]), and 1970, (the Australian Forum [became Sonship theology, then Gospel Sanctification, now New Calvinism]).
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Ok, help me out again: Does hyper-calvinism = neo-calvinism = new calvinism = calvinism? 🙂
I thought you liked Jay Adams. Still more confusion. Must be all of this desert air.
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Julie Anne,
It’s not the desert air. For the past 62 years in the American church, teaching that really matters has been nonexistent. But to answer your question concerning the equation you presented: YES, they all equal Calvinism.
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Paul –
Thanks for that response. It is what I would expect. I still don’t understand what men esteem about following orthodoxy and not always thinking for themselves.
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I think a good way to think of this is that we can coexist with “sanctified” Calvinists because they actually believe they have some responsiblity in sanctification. Some of them are appalled at what is coming out of the NC/YRR movement. But historically, Calvinism either dies out or becomes much more liberal.
Doug Wilson is John Piper’s new BFF. Shows you had far the movement has fallen when it embraces a white supremecist dominionist. And I can tell you why. Piper has made gender roles front and center for salvation and Wilson has some very legalistic teaching on it. He is the king of the patriarchy.
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Lydia,
Thanks, good points, but let us not forget that sanctified Calvinists are in serious denial about what Calvin really taught. Either the Old are right about what he taught, or the New. The New are right.
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