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John Piper and Doug Wilson Help Us Understand Calvin’s False Gospel of Progressive Justification: Part 1; Doug

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on September 18, 2012

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  1. lydiasellerofpurple said, on September 19, 2012 at 11:10 PM

    “So: where does it say in the Bible that the most important thing we can do is bring God glory? This is more false Calvinist humility. A humble sounding idea that will almost never be objected to, but which denies God and man on the most basic of levels.”

    Bingo! And that is not saying God is not Sovereign. What they do is actually portray a God who is NOT Sovereign over His own Sovereignty. They say that God cannot do anything outside His own nature and that would be always seeking His own Glory. I totally disagree with that position. A Sovereign God could create us with free will and still be Glorified by that. Does He want our total devotion and worship? Of course.

    I totally agree with your assessment of Narcissism. What struck me when I first read that post was the students question. What on earth brought on such a bizarre but serious question? It is the way Calvinists (of all points I have come to see) teach concerning the Sovereignty of God. And their laser like focus on that ONE attribute above all others. I can see how a newbie would come up with such a question.
    their focus on Sovereignty and how they portray God makes God sound like a monsterous dictator.

    And this is why I believe their teaching on this actually blasphemes God but makes them feel pious. We can see the damage it does by the question of a newbie learner! It frames God as treating us as His narcissistic supply.

    What I think is REALLY going on is that Calvinists unwittingly map the Sovereignty of God to their own “sovereignty” in the institutional structure or their “elect” pecking order. Pastors are, as MOhler a famous Calvinist says, “God’s appointed agents to keep God’s people from ignorance. Now that is lofty considering if we are God’s people wel WILL have the indwelling Holy Spirit Whom Jesus said would be the best teacher.

    I actually thought the student’s question was relevant considering the typical Calvinist teaching on Sovereignty. And when it comes to God the Son, it gets even more bizarre as Narcissists do not hang on trees for the sins of others. (As I said in the comment thread)

    “If Dan was being doctrinally consistent, and consistent to his blog, his answer to the question “is God a narcissist” should have been: Of course! Your greatest good is to give God glory. Your only reason for existing is to be God’s constant source of narcissistic supply. You are not human to God the narcissist. You are an object…a vessel only to feed God’s addiction to outside, unwarranted, unearned adulation and praise. ”

    “And THAT, in a nutshell, is Calvinism. Calvinism is truly a “textbook” narcissistic religion at its core. (In addition to being nihilist, gnostic, and basically every other pretty bad metaphysical thing that God and Christianity are not).”

    Yes! Yes! I came away with the exact same thinking.Did you notice no one in the comment thread really saw the problem or connected the dots?

    Calvinists really run into a problem with this Sovereignty business and how they frame it when one looks closely as Jesus Christ. God in the flesh.

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  2. Argo said, on September 20, 2012 at 11:18 AM

    Lydia,
    I really appreciate you pointing out the poignancy and the insight that comprises the question itself. I had not thought about that…but great observation!

    And I so agree: God is not Sovereign because he IS man’s ability, but because His will is always realized with it, or, if need be, in SPITE of it. God’s omnipotence is fully realized in man’s freedom to be him/herself. I struggle to understand why Calvinists cannot accept this. But then, if they did, they’d no longer be Calvinists. So, I guess that’s why.

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