I am making a very late comment on this–watching it late. It seems to me as if your experience and Raymond’s are similar though not alike. The issue involved in each seems to be a division of loyalty which causes conflict inside the marriage. I have seen from on person who posted that couples are “encouraged to fight” and while this may be true in some cases, this kind of conflict is also naturally occuring and causes separation, communication break down., and can ultimately lead to divorce. It is the pain of this conflict that the church sometimes responses to, though not always. Sometimes a spouse keeps silent about it. I noticed that Pastor Kevin advised Raymond to seek Godly counsel and was wondering if you also had been given that same advice. In general, one partner in council is not going to do any good when the issues are between a husband and wife. I think Pastor Kevin was right in not trying to counsel this marriage himself because he obviously has a prejudice in the relationship and counseling should be done by an impartial mediator. At the least, he should have offered to advise Raymond’s wife to go with Raymond to counseling and I think Raymond has every right to ask him to do this if he chooses to or he might just be able to communicate to his wife through a friend. Why not try something if one has nothing to lose? Can’t help feeling that these are resolvable, though difficult issues and that resolution would be a light to other people. I am obviously not is a position to decide this. Raymond’s wife seems like a good person who is trying to do what is right and may not know how to stop the conflict between them, put limits on her own involvment, or reconcile her relationship with Raymond to her relationship with the church. I think sometimes a partner may actually give more to the church to try to make up with them. The family’s relationship with the church is like life to them and must be preserved. Sometimes it is good for the family below a leader to bond together in appropriate Christian relationships if the leader is in conflict with some. It can help to stabilize the family and give people somewhere to go who have been hurt. A pastor is a part of the church and his message on Sunday morning is important, but there are other things that make the church family what it is. From what I have seen of the church website, volunteering is an individual decision. I like Raymond’s attitude and think he will be of help to other people in whatever way he chooses to be. I did not see Part IV. Keep on trucking.
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Is that grapefruit juice Paul? And everytime I see you drink, your glass always seems half full? Susan must be filling it up each time.
Anyway, thanks again for posting these videos.
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Your welcome. First time I have done anything like that. Hope it turrned out ok.
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By the way my hubby has a belly too, makes a great pillow.
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Paul,
I am making a very late comment on this–watching it late. It seems to me as if your experience and Raymond’s are similar though not alike. The issue involved in each seems to be a division of loyalty which causes conflict inside the marriage. I have seen from on person who posted that couples are “encouraged to fight” and while this may be true in some cases, this kind of conflict is also naturally occuring and causes separation, communication break down., and can ultimately lead to divorce. It is the pain of this conflict that the church sometimes responses to, though not always. Sometimes a spouse keeps silent about it. I noticed that Pastor Kevin advised Raymond to seek Godly counsel and was wondering if you also had been given that same advice. In general, one partner in council is not going to do any good when the issues are between a husband and wife. I think Pastor Kevin was right in not trying to counsel this marriage himself because he obviously has a prejudice in the relationship and counseling should be done by an impartial mediator. At the least, he should have offered to advise Raymond’s wife to go with Raymond to counseling and I think Raymond has every right to ask him to do this if he chooses to or he might just be able to communicate to his wife through a friend. Why not try something if one has nothing to lose? Can’t help feeling that these are resolvable, though difficult issues and that resolution would be a light to other people. I am obviously not is a position to decide this. Raymond’s wife seems like a good person who is trying to do what is right and may not know how to stop the conflict between them, put limits on her own involvment, or reconcile her relationship with Raymond to her relationship with the church. I think sometimes a partner may actually give more to the church to try to make up with them. The family’s relationship with the church is like life to them and must be preserved. Sometimes it is good for the family below a leader to bond together in appropriate Christian relationships if the leader is in conflict with some. It can help to stabilize the family and give people somewhere to go who have been hurt. A pastor is a part of the church and his message on Sunday morning is important, but there are other things that make the church family what it is. From what I have seen of the church website, volunteering is an individual decision. I like Raymond’s attitude and think he will be of help to other people in whatever way he chooses to be. I did not see Part IV. Keep on trucking.
Judy Elder
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