New Calvinism’s Beef With Teaching Children to Ask Jesus Into Our Heart and Voddie Baucham’s Reformed View of Children
Now look, I believe children are born sinful, and I also believe children not properly reared can grow up to be monsters, but we need to also remember that every human being is born with the works/law of God written on their hearts and their consciences either excusing or accusing them. That’s why I don’t go for this total depravity stuff along with the dirty little secret that this also supposedly applies to believers. Man is by nature sinful, but if you go through life looking at the unregenerate as nothing more than barely a step above the animal world, they will know that and it will create issues in your life to say the least.
New Calvinism will die a social death. Authentic Calvinism always does because five things finally come home to roost:
1. Folks finally take a stand against the tyranny it produces.
2. Folks finally catch on to the fact that authentic Reformed theology is Gnosticism (Neo-Platonism) dressed up in Bible verses.
3. Folks grow weary of its pessimistic mindset/outlook on life that came from Plato and Augustine.
4. Folks get bored with the constant recycling of Christology as if that is the only subject in the Bible (Susan and I are hearing this a lot lately).
5. As a result of 1-4, people’s lives start going to hell in a hand basket. Authentic Calvinism always ends up yielding very bad results as it did in Geneva and Salem MA.
But for the first time since the conception of Reformed theology, there has never been a resurgence of it that has been this well systematized and funded (ie, New Calvinism). And, there has never been a time when American parishioners were dumbed down like they are in our day; so, number 2 is going to take a while. In other words, the former resurgent movements haven’t left enough damage for people to remember, and dots usually aren’t connected (ie, the Salem witch trials were an identical event to what took place in Geneva under Calvin’s reign of terror). So, every hundred years or so it makes a comeback and then dies out again. The goal is to limit the carnage and educate to prevent another resurgence.
Now back to my original point about children. New Calvinists get this Reformed, abysmal view of man from Plato and Augustine. And the following quote by New Calvinist Voddie Baucham depicted in the illustration should be all that needs to be said.
Keep New Calvinists away from our children.
Paul's Passing Thoughts 
T4H, Lin et al:
Is he gone? is it safe to come back yet?
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I think so…….
I do not like debating Calvinists- its like debating someone while riding on a Ferris wheel.
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trust4himonly,
It appears do me you are not debating. You have simply assumed I believe things I don’t believe and rejected my views out of hand. Why don’t you ask me if I believe something before you reject the views you think I hold. Calvinism may have little or nothing to do with stuff that is being preached today. Don’t assume that because someone who calls himself a Calvinist says something stupid that Calvinism is ipso facto heresy.
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By the way, I am still waiting for someone to tell me where any verse in the NT tells any sinner, child or otherwise to “let Jesus come into their heart.”
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trust4himonly.
I am also still waiting for you to give me a citation from a Calvinist who confuses justification and sanctification. Simply to state that God sanctifies all whom he justifies is not to confuse or conflate those two gracious works of God. To say that God both created and governs his universe does not confuse or conflate God’s creative and governmental activity,
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One quote: “A perfect faith is nowhere to be found, so it follows all of us are partly unbelievers.” John Calvin
Agree with the perfect faith part, but am I then partly an unbeliever? What does partly an unbeliever mean? Don’t you think this would confuse? Is this not where this quote is couched in some truth but then the narrative around it is false?
Don’t worry I will bring more- takes time though I am a homeschool mom with 3 kids.
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John MacArthur : “Eternal security is a great spiritual truth, but it should never be permitted merely as a matter of being once saved, always saved–with no regard for what you believe or do. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 States frankly that only those who CONTINUE holy lives will enter the Lords presence.”
So which is it John? Eternal security or not. Again state truth then couch it with untruths. Classic justification and sanctification fused. So does that mean that if I went down the wrong road as a Christian and started partying I lost it or is it that I never had it to begin with? Well then how could one distinguish who is lost or not- no one knows the heart except God right? What about the pastor who is living a life of pride and arrogancy- is that not then unholy? How much holy is needed to please God to keep us secure?
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Book: Kingdom Living Here and Now pg 150
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The “let Jesus come into your heart” is just a phrase for I want Jesus/ I believe in Jesus, Randy. Do you not think that if an individual child or not wants Jesus He would not hear their call? Or do we need a complete understanding of our total depravity, limited atonement, imputed righteousness to truly get salvation? Of course there are those who did not truly believe but that is between them and God. Why are we so worried about it? Since a Calvinist so believes in predestination it would not matter anyway since that individual that refused Christ was not part of the elect anyway. We can only do our part in giving the gospel and letting that process work out between God and His creation.
I shudder to think what the poor adulterous woman would have had to theologically understand if the Calvinist was in charge. Jesus knew what was in her heart and then redeemed her. What about the thief at the cross? Jesus asked Peter to follow – he got up and followed. There was not this discussion about the 5 points TULIP. Simple faith does require complexity.
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Proverbs 22:6 contradicts Calvinism. It’s says; “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” What would be the point of that proverb if a person is completely depraved or destined to perish in hell.
In Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shall though not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. God said Cain had a choice. He could choose to do good or evil. Why would God Cain that he had power over the situation if he didn’t? Stephen accused the Pharisees and their Fathers the Jews of always resisting the Holy Spirit. God’s convicting power can be resisted by man because He gives man a choice. People try to bring God down to the level because they don’t understand. Calvanism has to be taught. You would never believe that doctrine without someone teaching it to you. Man exercising free will does not circumvent God’s sovereignty.
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