New Calvinism’s Beef With Teaching Children to Ask Jesus Into Our Heart and Voddie Baucham’s Reformed View of Children
Now look, I believe children are born sinful, and I also believe children not properly reared can grow up to be monsters, but we need to also remember that every human being is born with the works/law of God written on their hearts and their consciences either excusing or accusing them. That’s why I don’t go for this total depravity stuff along with the dirty little secret that this also supposedly applies to believers. Man is by nature sinful, but if you go through life looking at the unregenerate as nothing more than barely a step above the animal world, they will know that and it will create issues in your life to say the least.
New Calvinism will die a social death. Authentic Calvinism always does because five things finally come home to roost:
1. Folks finally take a stand against the tyranny it produces.
2. Folks finally catch on to the fact that authentic Reformed theology is Gnosticism (Neo-Platonism) dressed up in Bible verses.
3. Folks grow weary of its pessimistic mindset/outlook on life that came from Plato and Augustine.
4. Folks get bored with the constant recycling of Christology as if that is the only subject in the Bible (Susan and I are hearing this a lot lately).
5. As a result of 1-4, people’s lives start going to hell in a hand basket. Authentic Calvinism always ends up yielding very bad results as it did in Geneva and Salem MA.
But for the first time since the conception of Reformed theology, there has never been a resurgence of it that has been this well systematized and funded (ie, New Calvinism). And, there has never been a time when American parishioners were dumbed down like they are in our day; so, number 2 is going to take a while. In other words, the former resurgent movements haven’t left enough damage for people to remember, and dots usually aren’t connected (ie, the Salem witch trials were an identical event to what took place in Geneva under Calvin’s reign of terror). So, every hundred years or so it makes a comeback and then dies out again. The goal is to limit the carnage and educate to prevent another resurgence.
Now back to my original point about children. New Calvinists get this Reformed, abysmal view of man from Plato and Augustine. And the following quote by New Calvinist Voddie Baucham depicted in the illustration should be all that needs to be said.
Keep New Calvinists away from our children.
Paul's Passing Thoughts 
“do find it interesting that in a day when Arminian theology is being accepted by more Christians than ever that it’s also the day when more parents are murdered by their children than ever. Coincidence, I know.”
First of all I am neither Arminian or Calvinist (guys they love to make it only 2 categories. Don’t let them unless you really ARE Arminian)
And secondly, how do you know the above is true? I mean, did you research every single reported incident since when? And how did you research it? How far back can on research something like this?
I find your assertion ironic since we know a child was put to death during Calvin’s reign in Geneva for hitting his parents.
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Paul, please explain in layman’s terms how calvinism views justification and sanctification. I am trying to understand this. Does this have anything to do with the saint’s persevering?
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Christian,
Well, my lengthy reply just somehow got wiped out because I must have hit a wrong key. I will revisit this in the morning. Maybe it will be a better.
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Christian,
Part one to my answer is posted.
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Christian, I am a Calvinist in the soteriological sense of the word. I would not accept everything Reformed people believe or everything those in the reformed tradition have done. Still, I can answer your question about what Calvinist believe about justification and sanctification. We believe justification is a judicial act of God in which he declares believers righteous in his sight based on the imputed righteousness of Christ, i.e., the righteousness of Christ that God puts to our account, though we have absolutely no righteousness of our own. This righteousness is received by faith alone and apart from works of obedience to the Law.
Sanctification results from God’s work in the believer by which he enables him to desire to please God and gives him the ability to do so. In the work of sanctification, God produces a righteousness in the believer that is his own.
Though in justification the believer is passive, in sanctification he becomes active in obeying Christ’s commandments.
The believer perseveres in faith and the resultant obedience because the Spirit of God perseveres in producing the desire and the ability to please God.
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trust4himonly,
Can you give me an example of a Calvinist who confuses justification and sanctification? I have been a Calvinist for 45 years and have read hundreds of Calvinists. So far, I have not found one who confuses justification and sanctification.
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The wicked are estranged from the womb and go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies Psa. 58
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Paul,
What do you see as “not Calvinism” that is not Arminianism [apart from Pelagianism of course, which is even worse]?
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trust4himonly
You wrote:
“. . .that we are filled with the HOLY SPIRIT. Wow…such a thought. This is a concept that is so lost with Calvinism- yes, Christ lives inside of us – Permanently- for all eternity.” How do you think this concept is lost with Calvinism? Have you ever really read something a Calvinist wrote? I happen to be a Calvinist who believes we are enabled to obey God because the Spirit lives in us. Perhaps, if the Spirit is truly living in you, he would keep you from making false accusations against your brethren in Christ.
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Because Randy the well known Calvinists of today and the most heard (Piper, Etc..) continually mix the justification and sanctification in their teachings. I was at a Reformed church for two years and yes, subtly heard the same thing. Every week it was a constant “you are a depraved sinner”. Every week was about coming to the foot of the cross. The pastor was a Masters seminarian quoting from John MacArthur and John Piper. John MacArthur is a Lordship Salvation proponent- meaning you must first make Christ your Lord and fully submit before you become saved- so excuse me, how does an unbeliever do that? I did not hear at all about the Holy Spirit working in the believer only but in the Salvation sense not in the sanctification sense. The Holy Spirit was not considered an active agent in the progressive sanctification process. There was a constant glorification of men such as Piper, Ligon Duncan, Sproul, Chan, MacArthur and do on- these were the men to study (if you could fully grasp their lofty knowledge). They even loved a man named Donald Whitney who basically said in his writings that one must journal as a part of the sanctification process; one must be in silence as a sanctifying tool; worship (in the sense of a corporate body) was consider a sanctifying tool. No where did I hear the Holy Spirit being the one doing the work- no we needed to do outside acts to produce this change. I was plagued with doubt for two years about my salvation and whether I was really a believer or not. Now let me ask you this- if these are the results (and you hear them ALL over the blogosphere) of Calvinism, just as they would be with any SYSTEM of man, would you not have to agree that something is a little off here? I thought that knowing Christ would produce joy and assurance, not confusion and despair; not doubt and an unknowing of the truth. Would it not be a “yoke that is easy, and a burden that is light”? All I see from these famous men when they are questioned is arrogance and a desire to keep the machine running at all costs. I don’t see a sense of being humble ot a sense of love for those confused. It is a “my way or the highway” mentality. No thank you sir.
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Randy, in all Christian love, maybe just start looking at the holes in this faulty doctrine and don’t be so quick to judge the ones who have been hurt by the doctrines of men. Maybe it is time to get back to the simplicity of the gospel instead confusing theologies that end up disparaging us “common folk”.
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One more thing: I was told that Jesus could not be my friend because He was too holy.. that did it for me….I left.
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