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Final Statement Concerning Controversy: “Men of God” Conference at Bellefontaine, Ohio

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on March 9, 2012

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Things have taken a dramatic turn in the past 24 hours concerning the controversy surrounding an article I wrote about my experience at the conference. I wanted to pull down the original post, and take some time to prepare a big picture perspective/statement. The original post was 1,575 words dealing mostly with doctrinal concerns. The firestorm was over 297 words about what I experienced at the conference. There has not been one peep over doctrine in this issue. This has been glaring at me throughout the controversy.

Susan has been helping me put the statement together. The goal was to read two books, and listen to all of the mp3’s from the conference. Part of Susan’s task was to read a copy of “Family Shepherds” written by Voddie Baucham and obtained at the conference. At the end of chapter four, she approached me with a legal pad and what she shared was rather shocking. Almost immediately, when adding the other things I have learned this week, I began to look at this issue in a whole new way. That I will now share.

God has blessed Paul’s Passing Thoughts (PPT) since its conception in 2009 despite the pettiness that often occurs here. Susan has helped with that problem, but I think recent events have helped to jettison that element of the blog much further. That’s good, and here is only one reason  among many: one of the pastors I talked to this week is bi-vocational, and yes, a follower of Voddie Baucham. But New Calvinism is very subtle, and there probably isn’t any way a working pastor is able to stay on top of this stuff. For crying out loud, the brain trust of John MacArthur’s church is not even on top of it! But in the post that I pulled down, I call followers of Baucham “koolaid drinkers.” This bi-vocational pastor loves the word and the truth, and I called him a koolaid drinker. Furthermore, he shared that he equated that term with people who died at Jonestown under the leadership of cultist Jim Jones. Ouch. Not fair. That’s one of many reasons that the post is down.

Secondly, five years of research on this subject has yielded a vivid picture of this movement, and such pettiness is not necessary for the cause. A complete picture of this doctrine will bring it down, I’m confident of that. And along with it, the rampant spiritual abuse. That needs to be exposed to draw attention to what will ultimately destroy it—its doctrine found wanting, and the fact that the doctrine leads to indifference, spiritual abuse, and cult-like churches. But episodes like the one that came out on March 3rd  will not get the job done. In fact, it will hinder the cause.

Therefore, PPT is getting back to its roots of being doctrine focused. We will be undergoing a remodeling, so if you like anything that’s up, you had better copy it just in case. The posts will be edited and placed in the new format of a newsletter. That way, PPT’s newsletter, Truth About New Calvinism can be read online or received in the mail. The newsletter will be distributed by a nonprofit organization and will be available for free at several locations.  We start a new life on Monday with an in-depth series and the new format.

In my reconciliation with the church’s pastor, we reconciled on the 297 words, but he wouldn’t discuss the 1575 which involved my contentions. Even though you don’t discuss that which is reconciled with others, I think part of the interim statement needs to remain on the record:

Also, let me state clearly that there is no way I can know the motives behind what I saw. At the very most, the only thing I can determine [definitively] is a disregard for others by SOME who attended the conference.

The “Lydia” comment will remain because it is a balanced opinion in my estimation. The fact of the matter is that I had no plans for writing anything more than the one, controversial post. But what Susan has pointed out in Baucham’s book, and what I heard at the conference, is vital and formidable information in the quest to expose the errors of New Calvinism and the Patriarchy movement. The series will be in-depth, lengthy, and will include materials taught at the conference and the general teachings of the host church. This is because the teachings at the conference, the host church, and Baucham’s  writings are presented in a way that make them easily presented. It’s an extremely rich resource. Much is also at stake in regard to youth ministry as well which was represented at the conference in a significant way. The pastor of the host church was apprised of the fact that doctrinal offences were not resolved and open for discussion. An endeavor to expose New Calvinism to relevant groups can be greatly served by this series that will be, Lord willing, several parts.

I will conclude with an example of what has inspired me to proceed in this direction. Baucham, in his book on family shepherds, attests to the centrality of the gospel outside of us, denial of the new birth, and the total depravity of the saints. The results of this doctrine can be seen in his assertion that the family is a mere “delivery mechanism for the gospel.” I will demonstrate throughout the series how this central doctrine desensitizes Christians, especially in the area of justice and righteous indignation, mercy, and compassion. This is more than speculation; the coldblooded mercenary mindset of this movement is well documented.

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  1. Unknown's avatar lydiasellerofpurple@yahoo.com said, on March 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    Paul! The women’s restrooms…… That is horrible! It is an illustration for what they really think of women. It shows they had no compulsion to be “careful” and not cause extra work. What about the women there? Surely there were some there serving coffee who might need to use the restroom. This is where this teaching leads in ‘living out beliefs’. They will say it is much ado about nothing and has nothing to do with their view of woman. I say they are wrong and it screams volumes about how they view woman and even lowly janitors who might be men! It is the stuff of elite thinking that has permeated false Christianity.

    “I am just looking at this from the prospective of an abused Christian woman showing up for counseling, or a host of other possible problems as well. First, the counselor thinks you are still totally depraved, and your husband is also still totally depraved, and the totally depraved will be….well, let me put it this way: “sinners will be sinners, que, sera, sera.” ”

    Believe me, I know how it works. So does Cindy. We have been following this stuff for years and have heard from victim after victim of their “counseling” in abusive situations.

    Basically, the woman is not submitting or praying hard enough. Even if abused. See, her lack of spirituality keeps her husband from being saved. Or as Bruce Ware put it: She “triggers” his abuse by not submitting enough. For some reason, the man is not responsible for his sanctification. And this view comes from Non Calvinist’s too. Paige Patterson teaches that an abused woman needs to submit and pray more. (They are teaching that their husband’s salvation is their responsibility)

    It is all cult thinking wrapped up in fish stamped paper. Since it is presented as biblical, most people buy into it. I have to say that thinking people won’t buy into it. But they are rare these days.

    Any abused woman who goes to a pastor for counseling is in danger these days.

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  2. Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on March 15, 2012 at 8:13 PM

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  3. Relentless's avatar postghost said, on March 16, 2012 at 8:41 AM

    I wasn’t able to locate the original statement about what happened here, but came here via another blog which stated the details. If this is true, it should be shouted from the rooftops as evidence that the men who did it cannot possibly be believers and should be disfellowshipped. Had it been motivated by race rather than sex (both genetic qualities and not concerned with character or teachings), it would be called a hate crime. We must not be silent about such things, or we are complicit in this “tip of the iceberg” of misogyny. At the very least, the Christian community must denounce the men who did it and the leaders whose teachings inspired it. This must not be swept under any rug for any reason.

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