I’m Just Sayin’…..
“When the ground of justification moves from Christ outside of us to the work of Christ inside of us, the gospel (and the human soul) is imperiled. It is an upside down gospel.”
~ John Piper
“When the ground of justification moves from Christ outside of us to the work of Christ inside of us, the gospel (and the human soul) is imperiled. It is an upside down gospel.”
~ John Piper
Paul's Passing Thoughts 
Costa Rica,
in the R. E. O White quote above he says “faith expressed in faith-baptism” unites to Christ. So in the beginning of Christian life I’m united and “justified through faith in His blood.” When I sin later in life and I have faith that He is faithful and JUST to forgive me, and I am cleansed from all unrighteousness. Do I say that forgiveness is part of Justification? Or was Justification a “one time act?” Does blood in the body keep circulating, cleansing to keep us alive? Or, is it the first circulation?
Much about the atonement and justification/sanctification process is not explained fully in Scripture. Still shrouded somewhat in mystery. I left the PCA and joined an Anglican group about 16 yrs. ago. Some Anglicans view justification and sanctification similar to most Reformed Evangelicals (include PCA). Others view it like R. E. O. White above, and Weslyans and Catholics. It’s probably around a 50/50 split of opinion with many variations. Of course, there are some like the early Reformers, they don’t explain much. Anyway, somehow all these Anglicans have been communing together for centuries. They take it as doctrinal theory not dogma.
Explaining further about “derailing” God’s will. Surely, God ordains whatsoever comes to pass, His “decreetive Will.” This is sure as concrete. But the “revealed Will” in the drama of life is viewed different. He sets forth His Will to man – don’t eat this and you will live, if you eat, you will die. Why will you die? Adam, in a sense derailed God’s plan for his life by sinning. In the Gospel, God’s telling them to repent and gives a sincere, free offer of forgiveness. This is a sincere offer and good plan. However, God’s plan is derailed when men reject. “Derail” may not be the right word, but I think it’s OK if taken in a certain sense.
Arkansas Bill
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Paul is a swell guy don’t you think?
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Paul, I lie all the time–I am so sorry.
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Hey guys, I was going to misrepresent this guy as talking about sanctification, but then I decided not to.
“From every tongue in glory, and through the high arches of heaven, the anthem shall peal, “Worthy is the Lamb!” Believer in Christ! pants not your soul to join that song? and exults not your spirit in the truth that salvation, from first to last, is of God? Oh, how precious is the truth in the consciousness of our many failures and defects! Our salvation is all in Christ–our righteousness is all in Christ–our merit is all in Christ–our completeness is all in Christ–in Christ our Covenant Head, our Surety and Mediator; and no flaw in our obedience, no defect in our love, no failure in our service, should so cast us down as to shut our eye to our acceptance in the Beloved. Imperfections we would not overlook, sin we would not allow, disobedience we would not indulge, temptation we would not encourage; nevertheless, we would ever remember, for our encouragement, that, in default of perfection in the most perfect of our doings, we are fully and eternally, complete in Jesus.”
Octavius Winslow, The Sympathy of Christ With Man, (New York: Robert Carter and Brothers, 1863) pp. 83-84.
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Bill,
Your comments have indeed convinced me that I am an antinomian.
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So Paul, when you sin as a believer and confess your sin [perhaps you no longer sin and see no need for need for confession], on what basis does God justly forgive your sin (1 John 1:9) if not the obedience of Christ for you?
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Bill,
How is the weather in the stateside? Whew! it is sooo hot hear in the Costa, Costa.
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Paul is such a great editor, I want him to edit all of my comments.
Randy
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Actually, I believe Paul is a swell guy. I am going to send him some Costa Rican coffee.
Randy
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“Do you really believe false brothers derail God’s plan and purpose? What a pitiful god. The God I serve always accomplishes his purpose”
So, what do you do with passages like this which sounds like God’s plan and purpose:
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
He allows the wheat and tares to grow up together. So, how do we recognize a false brother?The Holy Spirit…which is missing from their teaching and belief system. They want you stuck at the cross. Not growing in Holiness.
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….and I agree–for control purposes.
> —–Original Message—– >
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