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Repost: “Can Christian Women Gone Wild Save Us From New Calvinism?”

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on September 9, 2011

I have shared my theory in other posts that contemporary antinomians are like serial criminals. Not in essence of being actual criminals, but in their deep-seated desire to get caught. You have seen the plot in movies—serial criminals always dropping catch me if you can hints to the police. At least two antinomians of our day, Tullian Tchividjian and John Piper, are good examples of this. But first, let me say that I realize that I am one of the very few people around who equate Gospel Sanctification / Sonship theology ( Tim Keller, a significant forerunner of Sonship theology, is one of the founders of TGC) / the gospel-driven life with antinomianism. However, my reasoning is simple; if we are sanctified by justification, that excludes the law either by obligation or ability. Neither do I buy into the idea that thinking the law is good—is an acceptable replacement for an obligation to obey it. Also, the fact that I rubbed shoulders with six GS proponents for several years, and I’m privy to the fact that they bragged about being antinomians is not helpful to those who are trying to persuade me otherwise.

Hold on, my phone is ringing: “Oh! Hi honey. Uh—uh , ya, hmmm. I know sweety, we have discussed this before—getting to the point and such, ya, I will get to the women shortly. Ok, talk to you later, bye!”

Anyway, Tullian Tchividjian recently dropped a really big hint by promoting the idea that preachers should strive to be accused of antinomianism as a way to validate their preaching  as having enough Jesus. When one, lone man protested, it made national headlines in Christian circles. But despite Tchividjian’s efforts, it didn’t work. The one, lone protestant focused on the accusation element without considering for a moment that maybe TT really is antinomian. Whew, that was a close one! Michael Horton followed the same week by accusing an accuser of accusing him of antinomianism when the accuser never even used the word in the accusation. Another hint? Hmmmm.

Also, we have John Piper, the First Pope of New Calvinism, continually drawing attention to himself (hints?) by promoting heretics and refusing to correct associates that use profanity in public, while notable evangelicals at large cover for him, and not for a moment considering that any of this has anything to do with the guy’s theology while teaching that what we believe always dictates what we do—unless you’re Pope John the First. A prime example of this is Piper’s invitation to Rick Warren to speak at one of  his Desiring God conventions. But hello, when you believe that every verse in the Bible is about the gospel, how can the particular elements of God’s truth really have that much significance? If Warren also believes that the Bible is a plenary gospel narrative, everything else is fair game—so why wouldn’t they hangout together? In fact, a reader sent me a quote by Tchividjian in regard to his defense of Piper for the invite by saying something like this: “All truth is God’s truth, even if it comes from Rick Warren.”

But what’s up with Piper being defended by the likes of Phil Johnson, John MacArthur’s right-hand guy, in the following post: http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2010/04/on-piper-warren-connection.html ?  “I love John Piper. People often ask me what living preachers I listen to besides John MacArthur. John Piper is my clear first choice. He’s also one of my favorite authors.”  Unbelievable. That is, until you read this in the same post:

“Speaking of Twitter chatter and Facebook feedback, I can’t touch on this whole subject without pointing out that the tone of some of the criticism leveled at Dr. Piper is simply revolting. Within fifteen minutes of Dr. Piper’s live webcast the other night, I had to delete a comment on my Facebook page from a woman who called him a clown. Over the past week I have deleted an average of two or three comments each day that were personally insulting or deliberately disrespectful toward Dr. Piper. One woman expressed a hope that his sabbatical would be permanent.

It intrigues and disturbs me that most (not all, but most) of the overtly impertinent comments have come from women. There’s evidently a growing regiment of self-appointed discernment experts consisting of women who give lip service to the authority of Scripture. They would unanimously affirm that Scripture reserves for men the teaching and ruling elders’ roles in the church. They would, I presume, deplore the ordination of women to such positions of authority. They are not offended by Paul’s statement in 1 Timothy 2:12; rather, they would say amen to it. And yet in practice they have no compunction about posting angry, loud condemnations and insistent demands for the removal of a pastor of John Piper’s stature. These things ought not to be.”

First of all, God is sovereign; it is obvious that God planned before the foundation of the Earth for me to marry Susan and not the woman who called Piper a clown. Besides, in the spirit of defending people just because we like them, are we sure that wasn’t her way of saying  Piper is a follower of Edmund Clowney? As I unravel the sorted history of New Calvinism, there is some question as to who was really the father of Sonship theology that is the fundamental basis for neo-Calvinism—Clowney, or John “Jack” Miller. Clowney wrote Preaching Christ in All of Scripture, How Jesus Transforms the Ten Commandments, and Christian Meditation. Any of those themes sound familiar in Piper’s teachings? But if that’s not the case, to Phil Johnson’s point, how dare that woomun call out a man of “Piper’s stature” (did he really say that? Let me check again.Yep, he sure did). Well, that pretty much says it all—if one of the who’s who of the evangelical world teaches error, the uneducated book-buying peasants of American church culture need to keep their mouths shut and submit to the “ruling elders.” Worse yet, if not unthinkable, is the idea that one of the woomun peasants would speak out!

If Phil would check Acts 17:11: the Holy Spirit commends the Bereans for vetting  Paul’s (the apostle) teachings and no gender is mentioned. In fact, verse 12 seems to indicate women were among them. And I know this is difficult for Phil, but John Piper is no apostle Paul. Furthermore,  Priscilla and Aquila both instructed Apollos (Acts 18:26), and I doubt Piper is an Apollos as well. As far as Phil’s citing of  1Timothy 2:12, because of 1Corinthians 14:34, I would think Paul is referring to the corporate setting, and not the milieu of life in general. Phil’s boss, John MacArthur, agrees; see his comments on 1Timothy 2:12 in his Bible Commentary, page 1783. He states the following: “He is not prohibiting them from teaching in other appropriate conditions and circumstances (cf. Acts  18:26; Titus 2:3,4).” John’s over the Seminary and Phil’s over other stuff, right?

Moreover, now that we have established that women can callout man-leaders of high stature, Phil apparently deleted a woman who was dead-on regarding Piper taking a permanent sabbatical. Piper took an eight-month sabbatical for beyond unbiblical reasons. An eight-month, paid sabbatical to eliminate several “species of heart idols.”? And the obvious logical conclusion as follows: an eight-month sabbatical instead of being counseled by his own elders; where is all of that in the Bible? Add to that his announcement that he is hoping to remain pastor there five years after returning from his sabbatical. The lady is absolutely right, why not just retire and be done with it? And by the way, HOW DO YOU PREDETERMINE HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO ELIMINATE “SEVERAL SPECIES OF HEART IDOLS”? ARE THEY THE EIGHT-MONTH TYPE? Have we lost our minds?

Phil also wrote: “It intrigues and disturbs me that most (not all, but most) of the overtly impertinent comments have come from women. There’s evidently a growing regiment of self-appointed discernment experts consisting of women….” Yes, discerning Christian woman gone wild, and thank goodness for them. Phil sates that it is mostly women who are speaking up and calling for leaders to be held accountable. Sad. And the women folk are right about something else: something can be done about it; separation, not inviting them to conferences (Matthew 18:17). Rejection, not fellowship (Titus 3:10 Rom 16:17,18), Rebuke, not excuses (1Timothy 5:19).

John Piper is one of the featured speakers at this years TGC conference in Chicago. Who knows what hint he will drop this time around. Will some Christian woman gone wild have to satisfy his deep-seated desire  to be exposed? Can Christian women gone wild save the church from New Calvinism? Stay tuned.

paul

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  1. Lydia's avatar Lydia said, on September 10, 2011 at 11:27 AM

    Max, Of course, you are right above about if it is of man, if will fail. It is very frustrating for me when I have so many loved ones caught up in what they esteem as the success of ministry/churches growing in this apostasy and attribute that success to God. It is hard to convince them that it is not a blessing of God but a result of the work of man and tickling ears.

    But I have been doing some research and figure this “lawless” movement has always been around but only in pockets here and there. It has been in the last 30-40 years or so years it has really taken off and become sort of mainstreamed. It is not just the New Calvinists but also has variations of lawlessness within the once blossoming Emergent types (Most of now have joined the NC movement) and of course, the seekers. The approaches are different but the results are the same.

    Thiry to forty years is a generation. Much of this has been mainstreamed in SBC seminary’s and other places like WTS, etc. Which means there are lot’s of 25+ to 30+ year old pastors who know nothing different and like it because it is a means of control. When the Holy Spirit is ignored in the New Birth, it is left up to men to fill that roles in a believers life.

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    • pauldohse's avatar pauldohse said, on September 10, 2011 at 12:04 PM

      Lydia,

      Yep, I agree. Myself, I have been speaking Chinese to people on this. I have come to realize that most Christians think the law’s role is the same BC and AC.

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  2. Tim Scott's avatar Tim Scott said, on September 10, 2011 at 2:04 PM

    Just a couple of thoughts, sort of thinking out loud. As far as Dr. MacArthur’s wife not responding to men do you think that is more because of the strain of denomination that they come out of (more of an Independent Baptist background)? I really struggle to see how Antinominianism has been mainstreamed in SBC Seminaries. I don’t see Albert Mohler (Southern) or Daniel Akin (Southeastern) or a host of professors under their supervision being of that strain, they seem more like your straight forward, run of the mill 5 point Calvinist guys (Although Akin would not be and a good majority of those outside Southern Seminary would not be either). Also, to talk of the possibility of the 21st century Church being the last is just not helpful nor accurate. There is much to bemoan and weep over but these “problems” are not going to thwart God’s promise to His Church (Matthew 16:18). As a matter of fact I would and could make an argument from History that the Church today is not in more trouble than in the days of the Arian Controversy. So, yes, lets pray for the Church, confront error when we see it (even though I must admit I don’t agree with Paul on alot when it comes to GS, although we must be careful of excesses of any kind). Will “Christian women gone wild save the Church from NC?” I’ll stay tuned 🙂

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    • pauldohse's avatar pauldohse said, on September 10, 2011 at 2:32 PM

      Tim,

      Birds of the feather flock together. Mohler is one of the “core 4” of T4G which is blatantly antinomian contemplative spirituality on steroids. The apostles didn’t say we would be able to see a brown ear or tail sticking out of their sheep costumes.

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  3. Lydia's avatar Lydia said, on September 10, 2011 at 6:30 PM

    Tim, People always mistake Mohler. Mohler is more of a politician and strategist than a theologian. He is also more of a culture warrior than a preacher of the Word.

    I could link you to quite a few of his blog posts about problems in the culture but he never says if he is talking about professing Christians or the world. Is he talking about both? If they are about professing Christians then we have a bigger problem. He never tells us.

    And he is also confusing. Take his recent comments at the convention about homophobia and us lying about homosexuals. His audience was the SBC but later he said he was talking about all evangelicals. (He is still accountable…a little because he IS an SBC employee…some forget that) He never once gives examples of how we lie or are homophobic. Perhaps he could give us a personal example if he was using the royal “we all”?

    . All this was in response to a question asked at the convention based upon an interview he gave Merritt Jr. (whose daddy is a big wig in the SBC) in the Christian Science Monitor that made it to Huffington Post. All the NC crowd are applauding how brilliant Mohler was in his response at the convention we still do not know how we lied or were homophobic. How can we repent if we do not know what we did?

    Yes, he tried to explain later in his various venues such as the WSJ, etc (he has the gravitas to explain himself in those venues so communication should not be a problem…but it is)

    Then his defenders reminded us of his 300 articles about homosexuality. But that did not help! It only made it more confusing becauswe he seemed to be turning away from his earlier stance that it was not genetic.

    People just hang on their every word and do not analyze their words, actions or positions on things. It is scary.

    My take? Mohler was trying to be cool with Merritt Jr in the secular media. The liberals were applauding him at HuffPo. But it backfired because of the question at the convention. Those areas do not usually overlap like that. A few years before, Merritt Jr got a bunch of SBC big wigs to sign an environmental manifesto which also backfired. You would think they would learn. How come I figure this to be the case? Show me one place Mohler stands up to Driscoll publicly. Mohler knew that many of his seminarians love Driscoll. He is being careful and playing to his audiences. So is Akin who was a protege of Paige Patterson who is NOT Calvinist in the least but who also defended Driscoll to many SBC’er’s who are appalled at the vulgarity of Driscoll and his aberrant teaching of SOS among other stuff.

    Do not ever assume Mohler is looking to scritpure first. Mohler was an early outspoken defender of Mahaney in the courier journal! And he is an employee of the SBC! And if you are not aware of the vileness and cult happenings
    going on in SGM, you need to get educated. try sgmsurvivors blog. As an employee of the SBC, Mohler has no busienss making almost instantaneous comments about CJ’s innocence. Mohler is backiong Mahaney for ONE reason. Too many book blurbs, shared too many stages. It is all about business. Mahaney gave SBTS 100,000 bucks a few years ago and SGM as an entity gave sBTS 100,000. Why? SGM has a pastors college. What is going on?

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    • pauldohse's avatar pauldohse said, on September 10, 2011 at 6:46 PM

      Lydia,

      It would seem the premier theologian of our day might be Rush Limbaugh: “Words mean things.” At least the EIB church knows that.

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  4. Denise's avatar Denise said, on May 25, 2013 at 2:18 PM

    Wow. This is an excellent post which shares the same insights and concerns I’ve had as well! I just came across this and which I had seen it sooner! Thank you for this post. I’m one of those women gone wild bloggers. I’ve been on Piper for years b/c he violates 2John 9-11 and women like me are praying desperately for men to stop being cowards and worshipers of pulpit celebrities and instead be willing to reject (and actually do so) an entire man, book, ministry, movement, church if they turn out to divide away from biblical Truth. I posted what Johnson said about vocal women bloggers here: http://surphside.blogspot.com/2011/11/gag-order-on-discerning-women-bloggers.html and how hypocritical it is that men can be so saracastic (can you say “Frank Turk”–even Johnson does the very thing he accuses nasty women do) and yet get hailed as spiritual and reasonable. Have a woman do the same, and suddenly its “catty” and “snippy”. I guess its ok to be a discerning woman as long as you keep it to yourself. I am very grieved about this in my heart because I’ve dealt with this in a very personal, repeated way. I know other solid Christian sisters have too. Its a very heavy and consistent burden on my heart.

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