Here we go. So Piper is our Holy Spirit and KNOWS we are arrogant toward God as Born Again believers. Perhaps he is and thinks this applies to all believers? But in one sentence he says ‘the world is so arrogant” and in another it is Christians who are also arrogant. Christians are the “world”? Or are like the world?
Perhaps we should define “Christian”. I don’t think Piper and I agree on the definition of a Born Again believer.
Can one have the indwelling Holy Spirit and live a life of arrogance toward God? I don’t think so. Piper thinks so. Therefore, we has best define what “Christian” is.
Have these people never heard of living the “good life” that comes from the wisdom of God?
I know, it’s my glasses, my eyballs.
James 3:13
New International Version (NIV)
Two Kinds of Wisdom
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their GOOD LIFE, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom.
Whew! Piper needs another 8-month sabbatical. He still doesn’t get it!
Piper is correct about one thing … arrogance runs rampant in the elite NC ranks (at least in my area – I hope not in yours). The young, restless and reformed in my neck of the woods are know-it-all, in-your-face, whipper-snappers who live and breathe arrogance.
The Christians I know came out of the world when they were born again … the new man has replaced the old man. Yes, they continue to carry a remnant of the sin of pride in their lives, but they know to surrender that to God in repentance, rather than boiling their eyeballs in gospel acid. They know that if they humble themselves before God, pray, seek God’s face, and repent … He will hear, forgive and heal. They are moved forward in their Christian journey by humility, not arrogance!
Lydia – if Gospel = Calvinism to Piper (and it does) … then “Christian” = Calvinist to Piper.
Lydia wrote: So Piper is our Holy Spirit and KNOWS we are arrogant toward God as Born Again believers.
He apparently knows what it’s like to have the mind of a fish so that he can tell us what and how and fish thinks, too. (This almost sounds like Wittgenstein, except he didn’t communicate with fish.)
And I can think of three, really witty uncharitable jokes in Groucho Marx style….
Paul, if this stuff offends you, it is your responsibility to confront the offender directly. I assume you have done that before posting this and criticizing it publicly. If not, I guess you are acting disobediently to God’s Word. Of course, I suspect that doesn’t make any difference to you as long as you can be critical and vent your ungodly spleen.
“Paul, if this stuff offends you, it is your responsibility to confront the offender directly. I assume you have done that before posting this and criticizing it publicly. If not, I guess you are acting disobediently to God’s Word. Of course, I suspect that doesn’t make any difference to you as long as you can be critical and vent your ungodly spleen
Wrong. Randy, I run across this thinking all the time. You could not be more wrong. Piper is a PUBLIC teacher of the Word. He works hard to be on stages, do many conferences, get his sermon’s online and market books. Not only that, but he makes his living doing these things. He wants to market himself but then not be questioned publicly on what he teaches?
So, when someone publicly challenges his teaching you guys resort to: You have to somehow get ahold of him personally and confront him. Right, good luck with that.
Funny how Paul did not do what you are claiming is “Biblical” with Peter when he confronted him publicly. No where does it even hint he went to him privately at first.
If you are alluding to Matthew 18 keep in mind that is for PERSONAL offenses. It is not for public teaching of the Word. But it sure is a convenient passage to twist when the idols teaching are being questioned in a public forum. Somehow they have to make that sin. The only way to do it is to twist scripture.
Nice try….they all try this one. And what kills me is some of the peasants believe this twisting of scripture and spend their lives trying to contact the celebrity. Don’t you know the celebs only return the calls of other celebs? We are the pew sitters. We are supposed to just listen, obey and give money.
Perhaps I should have tried to call him after his “scream of the damned” shock jock sermon and point out his error. (sheesh!) Wait, I cannot do that, I would have to get a male ringer to do it. If only I could get a Deborah!
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Here we go. So Piper is our Holy Spirit and KNOWS we are arrogant toward God as Born Again believers. Perhaps he is and thinks this applies to all believers? But in one sentence he says ‘the world is so arrogant” and in another it is Christians who are also arrogant. Christians are the “world”? Or are like the world?
Perhaps we should define “Christian”. I don’t think Piper and I agree on the definition of a Born Again believer.
Can one have the indwelling Holy Spirit and live a life of arrogance toward God? I don’t think so. Piper thinks so. Therefore, we has best define what “Christian” is.
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Lydia,
Well–I’ll post the one about Christians and the world. If you can figure it out–your good.
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Have these people never heard of living the “good life” that comes from the wisdom of God?
I know, it’s my glasses, my eyballs.
James 3:13
New International Version (NIV)
Two Kinds of Wisdom
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their GOOD LIFE, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom.
Arkansas Bill
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Thanks Bill,
Humility can be obtained through wisdom–great verse.
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Whew! Piper needs another 8-month sabbatical. He still doesn’t get it!
Piper is correct about one thing … arrogance runs rampant in the elite NC ranks (at least in my area – I hope not in yours). The young, restless and reformed in my neck of the woods are know-it-all, in-your-face, whipper-snappers who live and breathe arrogance.
The Christians I know came out of the world when they were born again … the new man has replaced the old man. Yes, they continue to carry a remnant of the sin of pride in their lives, but they know to surrender that to God in repentance, rather than boiling their eyeballs in gospel acid. They know that if they humble themselves before God, pray, seek God’s face, and repent … He will hear, forgive and heal. They are moved forward in their Christian journey by humility, not arrogance!
Lydia – if Gospel = Calvinism to Piper (and it does) … then “Christian” = Calvinist to Piper.
Pride (arrogance) comes before a fall.
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I’m sorry guys, but this one just keeps me laughing when I think of it. “Gospel acid”? Oh my!
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Paul,
I performed a Bible Gateway search for “Gospel Acid” in the KJV, NIV … and, yes, ESV … it’s not there.
Lots of stuff on pride and arrogance, however!
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Lydia wrote:
So Piper is our Holy Spirit and KNOWS we are arrogant toward God as Born Again believers.
He apparently knows what it’s like to have the mind of a fish so that he can tell us what and how and fish thinks, too. (This almost sounds like Wittgenstein, except he didn’t communicate with fish.)
And I can think of three, really witty uncharitable jokes in Groucho Marx style….
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Paul, if this stuff offends you, it is your responsibility to confront the offender directly. I assume you have done that before posting this and criticizing it publicly. If not, I guess you are acting disobediently to God’s Word. Of course, I suspect that doesn’t make any difference to you as long as you can be critical and vent your ungodly spleen.
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“Paul, if this stuff offends you, it is your responsibility to confront the offender directly. I assume you have done that before posting this and criticizing it publicly. If not, I guess you are acting disobediently to God’s Word. Of course, I suspect that doesn’t make any difference to you as long as you can be critical and vent your ungodly spleen
Wrong. Randy, I run across this thinking all the time. You could not be more wrong. Piper is a PUBLIC teacher of the Word. He works hard to be on stages, do many conferences, get his sermon’s online and market books. Not only that, but he makes his living doing these things. He wants to market himself but then not be questioned publicly on what he teaches?
So, when someone publicly challenges his teaching you guys resort to: You have to somehow get ahold of him personally and confront him. Right, good luck with that.
Funny how Paul did not do what you are claiming is “Biblical” with Peter when he confronted him publicly. No where does it even hint he went to him privately at first.
If you are alluding to Matthew 18 keep in mind that is for PERSONAL offenses. It is not for public teaching of the Word. But it sure is a convenient passage to twist when the idols teaching are being questioned in a public forum. Somehow they have to make that sin. The only way to do it is to twist scripture.
Nice try….they all try this one. And what kills me is some of the peasants believe this twisting of scripture and spend their lives trying to contact the celebrity. Don’t you know the celebs only return the calls of other celebs? We are the pew sitters. We are supposed to just listen, obey and give money.
Perhaps I should have tried to call him after his “scream of the damned” shock jock sermon and point out his error. (sheesh!) Wait, I cannot do that, I would have to get a male ringer to do it. If only I could get a Deborah!
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Lydia,
You sound a little bitter there sweetie. I bet you would like to be on stage.
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