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Apparently, The False Doctrine of the “Total Depravity of the Saints” is Funny

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on June 15, 2011

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  1. Anonymous said, on June 15, 2011 at 12:46 PM

    How is total depravity a false doctrine?

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  2. paulspassingthoughts said, on June 15, 2011 at 12:57 PM

    I said: “Total Depravity of THE SAINTS” Anymore questions?

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  3. paulspassingthoughts said, on June 15, 2011 at 1:05 PM

    Even if Christians are still totally depraved (which is an antinomian lie), why would that be funny?

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  4. Gerry said, on June 15, 2011 at 1:30 PM

    There is nothing, NOTHING, funny about SIN. God hates, dispises, sin. His WRATH burns against sin, and the smoke of the burning of sinners will ascend from Hell forever and ever.

    It makes no difference whether one is talking about the sin of forgiven saints, “in whom, that is, in whose flesh dweleth no good thing”, and which sin Christ died for, and poured out that HOLY WRATH on Christ in their stead, or the sin of the unforgiven, God Hates Sin.

    It is ignorance of this hatred of Sin, that is one fruit of the antinomian teaching of this bunch of poor deceived people.

    The reason sin isn’t preached any more is because the Law and it’s curse, it’s JUST, RIGHT HOLY Curse, isn’t preached any more. I remember realizing this some years ago when reading Jonathan Edwards sermon entitled “God Glorified in the Damnation of Sinners”, a sermon similar to “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God”.

    A light, loose, careless, frivolous attitude toward sin is exactly what one would expect to follow from antinomian teaching.

    It is Satan who loves to have men laugh at, and make light of, sin, in any form, and in any one, believer, or unbeliever.

    In Him,
    gerry

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    • pauldohse said, on June 15, 2011 at 1:50 PM

      Yes Gerry. Because of my clash with NC, I started to take a harder look at the Law / Gospel issue, and my family and I are on a journey accordingly. What we have learned, and what the application has done in our lives is astounding. Christians need to return theological education to the local church and take back the Law.

      > —–Original Message—– >

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  5. paulspassingthoughts said, on June 15, 2011 at 2:04 PM

    New Calvinist claim to have a corner on understanding sin, and vehemently deny being antinomian. But yet, their flippant attitude toward the gravity of sin, and the novel use of a song written by Michael Jackson, whose memory should bring sadness of spirit and dread for others–speaks for itself.

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  6. Bill said, on June 15, 2011 at 4:16 PM

    I myself wonder if we are living in the final stages of upheaving evil in this passing world. Living in the present world it’s getting harder and harder to live a godly life. Like Lot, we feel tormented. So many easily give way to this dark world of sin and become defeated, entangled, weighted down, and without power. Along comes the New Calvinist salesmen with a newly discovered remedy. New books, DVD’s, and conferences for making a mint. Comfort people in their sins, don’t help them get out of sin. Present service to God as futility. Claim the historic church has not been honest about their own sin. Theologically change the Christian identity from good to bad so sin seems normal. Hide the responsibility of man under God. We’re sons of God no matter what. Self condemn yourself to bondage and hieghten the Glory of Christ Alone, through Faith Alone! It’s so easy and feels great… for a while.

    How scary can things get. A look at history tells us that God did not spare angels when they sinned. He didn’t spare the ancient world either. So, if we suggest that it’s futile to serve God, is He going to spare us?

    Malachi 3:14-18:

    v 14 You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty?”….
    v16 A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.”

    Arkansas Bill

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    • pauldohse said, on June 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM

      Bill,

      And to further your point:

      2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.

      The word for “lawlessness” is “anomia” or in our language: “antinomianism.”

      So, here is what the apostle was saying:”For the mystery of antinomianism is already at work.” New Calvinist want us to believe he said this:”For the mystery of legalism is already at work.”

      > —–Original Message—– >

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  7. Gerry said, on June 16, 2011 at 1:31 AM

    pauldohse said, on June 15, 2011 at 1:50 pm Yes Gerry. Because of my clash with NC, I started to take a harder look at the Law / Gospel issue, and my family and I are on a journey accordingly. What we have learned, and what the application has done in our lives is astounding. Christians need to return theological education to the local church and take back the Law.

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    I thank God for His work in you and all who take this matter as central to eternal life and death, for that is what is at stake, and I”m praying for you and your family’s journey. Interesting you should use that term, for Pilgrims Progress was about “Christian’s” journey from “the city of distruction” to “the Celestial City”.

    Both dispensationalism and NCT falsely teach that the Moral Law, or covenant of works passed away as a function of Christ’s fulfillment of the requirements of that covenant and thus we are all, saved or unsaved, under the covenant of grace. Which is, of course a lie, for only those who fly to Christ for salvation are under the covenant of grace, for this is the only way to get out from under the covenant of works, from Adam to Noah, to Abraham to Jacob, to David to John the Baptist to Paul to John, to Polycarp, to Baranbus to Justin Martyr, to Austine, to Papias, to Luther to William Tyndale, to Owen to Calvin to Goodwin to Edwards to Knox, to Payson, to Ryle, to Bonar to McCheyne, to Mueller, to Craik, to Tregellis, to B W Newton, to Spurgeon, to……

    That is why the only question I needed to ask Randy was what he believed about who was and who wasn’t born under the Law. Everyone born of a woman from Genisis till the end of time is born under the Law as a covenant of works. The ceremonial Law was never given or intended as a means of salvation, but rather to teach the impossibility of same by any other than Christ. Thus, Christ tells the Pharisees, “If you believed Moses” (as opposed to in Moses) “you would believe My words, for Moses wrote of Me”. Moses wrote of salvation by Christ, not of salvation by works, but of the impossibility of salvation by works. And it was man, in the form of false priests, false prophets who distorted the teaching of Moses to have man believe that keeping the Law could save him.

    You are quite right about the problem of theological schools, one of which I attended for a while after conversion, but left when I found that what I was being taught was contrary to scrpture, and being converted so late in life, I felt I had no time to waste, both to unlearn all the errors, as well as to learn the truth. Bunyan, who went to no theological seminary other than the School of Christ, teaches all of this very clearly in his Doctrine of Law and Grace Unfolded. God said he would use the “foolish things to confound the wise” and Bunyan is a prime example of this, not only in his allegorical writings but in his doctrinal ones. There have been periods in church history since the Reformation when there have been a few good seminaries but the periods and seminaries have been few, and the Spirit is always the final and supreme teacher.

    May He bless and keep you,

    In Him,
    gerry

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  8. Bill said, on June 16, 2011 at 6:49 AM

    Paul and Gerry,

    my wife and I were visiting a local church one Sunday where a Reformed Baptist pastor preached. The sermon was about how Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her, to present her to himself as a radient church, holy and blameless (Eph 5). To our shock, he concluded with this question, staring at the congregation:

    “IS CHRIST COMING BACK FOR A WHORE?”

    Ha! I suppose the New Calvinist’s would answer that question in the affirmative!

    Arkansas Bill

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    • pauldohse said, on June 16, 2011 at 8:46 AM

      Bill, Priceless!

      > —–Original Message—– >

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  9. R. Seiver said, on June 16, 2011 at 9:09 PM

    Gerry wrote: Both dispensationalism and NCT falsely teach that the Moral Law, or covenant of works passed away as a function of Christ’s fulfillment of the requirements of that covenant and thus we are all, saved or unsaved, under the covenant of grace. Which is, of course a lie, for only those who fly to Christ for salvation are under the covenant of grace, for this is the only way to get out from under the covenant of works.

    Where does any NC theologian state that both saved and unsaved are under the covenant of grace? Remember the 9th commandment.

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  10. R. Seiver said, on June 16, 2011 at 9:16 PM

    If a person were an antinomian, would he not be against the idea that God’s law is eternal, universal and immutable? So that if a person said that the Mosaic Law was a covenantal expression of that eternal law and that we are “not without law to God but under the law to Christ” (Another and higher expression of that same eternal law), He wouldn’t be an antinomian would he? Why must you insist that we Gentiles must be brought under Israel’s covenant?

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    • pauldohse said, on June 17, 2011 at 8:39 AM

      Again Randy, your proposition is based on a false premise. The law has common sense application plus revelation. Even though many OT laws are not applicable today, they still teach us how God thinks about certain issues which either glorify Him In our eyes or also contain secondary applications. We don’t stone rebellious teens today, but does that law speak to important issues in counseling parents with a rebellious teen? Absolutely. Matt 4:4 says we live by EVERY word that comes from the mouth of God and Paul told Timothy that ALL Scripture is profitable for….Furthermore, NCT teaches that the law only serves to lead us back to Christ in a continual re-evangelizing of Christians (law negative) or a meditation of gratitude for what Christ did, not anything that is expected of us (law positive). Whether or not that is seen as eternal or not is obviously neither here nor there. Moreover, the supposed “higher law of Christ” is boiled down to a single command to love according to conscience and is nebulous at best. Again, your deception precedes you.

      > —–Original Message—– >

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