Paul's Passing Thoughts

Shouldn’t Biblical Counseling Be Based on a True Gospel?

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on December 8, 2012

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  1. paulspassingthoughts said, on December 8, 2012 at 9:48 AM

    Reblogged this on Clearcreek Chapel Watch.

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  2. trust4himonly said, on December 8, 2012 at 3:45 PM

    “The heart of the problem with Sonship lies in its concept of [biblical] Sonship. And that is related directly to its view of the gospel. The interrelation of these two factors is uppermost in the teachings of this group. According to Sonship, the problem with most Christians is that they are living as if they were orphans rather than as sons. They are living as if they had never been adopted into the heavenly family. Because of this, they fail to appreciate and appropriate the rights and privileges granted to them by their heavenly Father. That is why they do not grow spiritually, lead powerless and miserable lives, and are ineffective as believers. Sonship claims that the answer to all such problems is to revisit the fact of one’s adoption. It is to realize afresh the meaning of the gospel. In this way, the gospel is what changes and empowers a Christian throughout life.

    How is this done? It is done by preaching the gospel to one’s self over and over again and by “practice[ing] every day believing the gospel.” This continued experience begins by repentance. One repents of sins, but principally of the sin of failing to recognize and appropriate his sonship [35].

    This is so true!!! Yes, I saw these same beliefs and attitudes. In fact, I was left stagnate and in doubt- no way for a believer in Christ to be living! When they state that we must tell ourselves the gospel everyday – what the heck does that mean?! I mean yes we study His Word, we desire growth (sanctification); every story, psalm, proverb, prophecy, Gospel of Christ, and epistle we soak in and learn. We, in fact, will struggle and grow; take a lifetime to learn and be transformed to His likeness in cooperation with the Holy Spirit. We love the stories of Biblical heroes and the human struggle over sin and how God uses it for His Glory, yet Calvinists will take these stories and will apply it to a single concept of the Gospel. There is no human element to it; there is no relationship between man and God and how much God loves His Creation that He would have men record all these wonderful stories for us to be able to see what He was doing and will be doing to restore that relationship again through Christ Jesus.
    So then are they saying this is it “Tell yourself the gospel everyday”? What a cheap marketing (“hey you have to do nothing just tell yourself how depraved you are) scheme that went terribly wrong throughout history and still goes wrong. When we do become Christians we do get to participate with Christ; we do get the responsibility of walking and talking like Him- in SANCTIFICATION. We were meant as humans to work, not sit out and live like loafers; Christ expects us to grow and work, of course NOT though for justification but for the sheer want and desire to love Him more.

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  3. trust4himonly said, on December 8, 2012 at 4:10 PM

    In fact this false “Gospel” deliberately takes away the aspect of the fruits of the Spirit- yeh, like where do you here that sermon in a Calvinist church? This teaching takes away incentive and desire to do things in JOY, LOVE, GENTLENESS, PATIENCE, SELF-CONTROL, AND LONG SUFFERING because the Spirit is only relegated to when someone becomes saved and outside of you, not One who is actively working inside and in cooperation with your soul and body. This is why the Bible states that a Christian can quench the Holy Spirit living inside by working in the flesh instead of in the Spirit.

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  4. trust4himonly said, on December 8, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    I am sorry I keep writing but things keep coming to me. I started thinking about this Paul- we battle with the flesh everyday; Paul keeps telling us this in Romans and throughout Scripture. The Holy Spirit is INSIDE of us at the moment of becoming a Christian- there is a definite war going on between the flesh and the Spirit and we battle with Satan and his cohorts. To Calvinists the Holy Spirit is OUTSIDE of us and we are continually depraved even as Christians. This leaves a Christian despaired or not caring whatsoever in doing anything for God in the first place because the incentive is nil; we continue doing things in the flesh. Now we understand that the more we want the HS to work and we are in submissiveness to that, the more we will lose (circumcise) this depravity/sin/flesh and we will die to ourselves and become LIKE Christ. The HS OUTSIDE of us is hopeless leaving us with nothing else but to wait (predestination) and see if we will come into Gods favor or not. This leaves many thinking (in Arminianism and Calvinism) that when someone is doing well in life that must mean God looks to them in favor and an elitist attitude will ensue.

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  5. Argo said, on December 10, 2012 at 11:29 AM

    Trust,
    The goal of Calvinism and other reformed ideas is to remove man from the equation. By you becoming a bystander to your own existence, they are in a position to possess you for their own evil gain. Notice how every single interpretive premise of the neo-Cals is to get YOU out if the way so that they may claim a right to own you…in the name of God, of course. Since you have no right to yourself, the only GOOD you can do is submit to the ecclesiastical “authority” who is standing in the stead. Since you are too depraved to really know God, they, as specially ordained divine proxies, must tell you what to think and do.

    All of their interpretations are despotic. They are also metaphysically and rationally impossible at the root, so they subterfuge with euphemistic language and invent new meanings for clear biblical ideas. This is the strength of Paul’s site. He wrecks their theology by pointing out the biblical inconsistency. They have no meaningful nor coherent counter-argument, so they attack h for his “tone” or demand that he provide them with “statements” or “doctrinal treatises” with bibliography and “objective sources” (their hypocrisy is as staggaring as it is typical) and all manner of nonsense designed to obfuscate the fact that they have no real response. As if his posts are not clear enough. They always do this. Threats and tantrums and violence and ad hominem are the usual response of despots who understand that their ideas cannot be rationally or biblically defended.

    John Calvin was fond of the stake when backed into a corner. Read the account of Michael Servitus. The burning of “heretics” is the only practical outcome of their “truth”.

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