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Transcript of Phone Conversation between C.J., [Mahaney] Doris and Larry Tomczak on October 3, 1997 [pp. 10-11]

C.J.:

Doctrine is an unacceptable reason for leaving P.D.I. [now SGM].

Larry:

C.J., I‘m not in sync with any of the T.U.L.I.P., so whether you agree or not, doctrine is one of the major reasons I believe it is God‘s will to leave P.D.I. and it does need to be included in any statement put forth.

C.J.:

If you do that, then it will be necessary for us to give a more detailed explanation of your sins.

Larry:

Justin‘s name has been floated out there when there‘s statements like “revealing more details about my sin.”  What are you getting at?

C.J.:

Justin‘s name isn‘t  just “floated out there” – I‘m stating it!

Larry:

C.J. how can you do that after you encouraged Justin to confess everything; get it all out.  Then when he did, you reassured him, “You have my word, it will never leave this room.  Even our wives won‘t be told.”  I repeatedly reassured him: “C.J. is a man of his word.  You needn‘t worry.”  Now you‘re talking of publically sharing the sins of his youth?!

C.J.:

My statement was made in the context of that evening.  If I knew then what you were going to do, I would have re-evaluated what I communicated.

Doris:

C.J., are you aware that you are blackmailing Larry?  You‘ll make no mention of Justin‘s sins, which he confessed and was forgiven of months ago, if Larry agrees with your statement, but you feel you have to warn the folks and go national with Justin‘s sins if Larry pushes the doctrinal button?  C.J., you are blackmailing Larry to say what you want!

Shame on you, C.J.!  As a man of God and a father, shame on you!

This will send shock waves throughout the teens in P.D.I. and make many pastor’s teens vow, “I‘ll never confess my secret sins to C.J. or any of the team, seeing that they‘ll go public with my sins if my dad doesn‘t toe the line.”

C.J., you will reap whatever judgment you make on Justin. You have a young son coming up. Another reason for my personally wanting to leave P.D.I. and never come back is this ungodly tactic of resorting to blackmail and intimidation of people!

C.J.:

I can‘t speak for the team, but I want them to witness this.  We‘ll arrange a conference call next week with the team.

Doris:

I want Justin to be part of that call.  It‘s his life that‘s at stake.‖

C.J.:

Fine.

C.J. never spoke with us [Larry and Doris] again.  He was not a participant in the critical phone meetings that followed.