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More Discernment Blog Folly: Negotiating with Prophets of Zero Sum Life

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on August 9, 2014

HF Potters House (2)“Um, excuse me, but if you are a child of God, it is not even just for God to forget your good works (Heb. 6:10), why would He be just in slaying you? And, isn’t God’s last enemy death? (1Cor. 15:26).”

Observing life does teach us about the Bible to a degree. One criticism we often hear about God is that He is cruel. After all, in the Old Testament, we find that He instructed Israel to completely wipe out certain people groups; men, women, children, livestock, and pets.

John Immel made a brilliant observation at this year’s TANC conference. In Europe, where our American spiritual roots came from, religious wars dominated their history. In America we can’t have religious wars, so people fight over the color of the carpet, and you have the ongoing drama such as the latest Acts 29 episode with Mark Driscoll and the J.D. Hall controversy.

Then you have the war correspondents; the discernment blogs. They “cry for justice” on behalf of the victims, but no justice will come. Why? When the sum of life is zero, you don’t deserve justice, you only deserve death. Consider the quotation sent to me by a reader from one of the premier evangelical leaders of our day:

My late friend James Boice and I frequently flew to various conference and events.  I am a white-knuckle flyer whereas he loved the bumps and the feeling of exhilaration that comes from flying through the air.  While I looked anxiously out the window, he said, “What is the matter. R.C.?  Don’t you believe in the sovereignty of God?”   I replied, “Jim, that is my problem.  I do believe in the sovereignty of God, and I know that he would be perfectly just to crash me into the ocean right now.  That is why I am so nervous.”

Um, excuse me, but if you are a child of God, it is not even just for God to forget your good works (Heb. 6:10), why would He be just in slaying you? And, isn’t God’s last enemy death? (1Cor. 15:26).

God commanded the Israelites to wipe out certain people groups because they had a philosophy of zero sum life. You can’t negotiate with such people. If they are your neighbors, they will be constantly seeking to dominate you because you are enslaved to the earthy senses that value life. You are bad for the collective. Plato got it from the Hindus, Augustine got it from Plato, and Luther/Calvin got it from Augustine. And the Neo-Calvinists got it from Calvin. Their zero sum life theology is TULIP, and the doctrine is predicated on man’s total depravity which is a total sum zero of life.

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  1. Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on August 9, 2014 at 12:17 PM

    Reblogged this on Clearcreek Chapel Watch.

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  2. trust4himonly's avatar trust4himonly said, on August 10, 2014 at 2:41 PM

    Unbelievable! “We love death more than the Jews love life” – Hamas

    Hmmmm……yes sounds so similar to their Calvinist brothers

    “Death is like my car. It takes me where I want to go.”
    ― John Piper

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  3. trust4himonly's avatar trust4himonly said, on August 10, 2014 at 2:43 PM

    “Suffering in the path of Christian obedience, with joy – because the steadfast love of the Lord is better than life (Psalm 63:3) – is the clearest display of the worth of God in our lives. Therefore, faith-filled suffering is essential in this world for the most intense, authentic worship. When we are most satisfied with God in suffering, he will be most glorified in us in worship. Our problem is not styles of music. Our problem is styles of life. When we embrace more affliction for the worth of Christ, there will be more fruit in the worship of Christ.”
    ― John Piper, Tested by Fire: The Fruit of Suffering in the Lives of John Bunyan, William Cowper and David Brainerd

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on August 10, 2014 at 2:55 PM

      Yep, if you want to totally understand John Piper, read and study the Heidelberg Disputation. All of his ideas come from that document.

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on August 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM

      …just read through it one time, it’s not that much reading, maybe two hours. It is a dissertation that totally embraces suffering and death as an epistemology.

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  4. trust4himonly's avatar trust4himonly said, on August 10, 2014 at 6:32 PM

    I will do that.

    I could never get into Piper, just because of his wavy expressive hands and silver tongue. He reminds too much of Harry Reid.

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