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2014 “Shepherds” Conference: Speaker Jerry Wragg Leads Conference in Either Deliberate Deception or Confusion

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on March 7, 2014

ppt-jpeg4Laptops are wonderful. I have been running PPT while doing some major remolding on my mother’s house. I have been watching the comments on a couple of recent posts that have stirred a lot of discussion in regard to law and gospel. If it takes a while for your comment to be moderated, I am probably soldering a water pipe.  I have little time right now to jump into the fray, but what a delight to see the laity emboldened to engage this topic. The posts are in relationship to TANC’s latest realization regarding the Reformed view of atonement. I am astounded in regard to the simplicity of the crux: did Christ merely cover our sins, or did He END sin?

Obviously, according to Calvin, Christ died to merely cover sin. We have established firmly that total depravity also pertains to the saints in Reformed thought. Reformed soteriology changes the experience, not the person. This is the official Reformed doctrine of mortification and vivification. Also obvious is the idea that covering goes hand in hand with the idea that Christians are not changed in their personal righteousness. If our sins are ended, a completely different soteriology is demanded. This Sunday, I will be further supplementing our Romans series with another look at atonement, and be sure of this, John 1:29 will be mentioned:

The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!”

What of this? Did Christ take our sin away, or did He merely cover it? Is our “just standing” merely a realm change with the same relationship to the law, or does salvation change our relationship to the law? I am awaiting a transcript of David Platt’s view of atonement that I will implement in clarifying this position.

This now brings me to the subject at hand. A brother who I have not talked to for some time sent me a tidbit of information about the 2014 “Shepherds” Conference held annually at John MacArthur’s church. Yes, the quotation marks are of the scare variety. Before I get into the tidbit, he reminds me of a longstanding reality in the institutional church. Brothers and sisters who can think for themselves are always going to be deemed a threat in the institutional church. I don’t know of his present church status, but what a joy to see the Home Fellowship movement setting brothers like him free to practice their gifts.

He reminds me very much of Andy Young who is now free to bless people with his gift of teaching, but like Andy, the gift doesn’t match the recognition and opportunity that takes place in the brick and mortar church. Seminaries are where you go to get your Reformed pedigree and certificate that confirms that you will toe the Reformed line. You pay money to get your certificate, then you can get a job as a philosopher king—that’s how the system works. Conferences reinforce the system, and the laity unwittingly pays for it. It is a sanctified caste system like no other.

Now for the tidbit. He informed me that one of the speakers, a Jerry Wragg, delivered a message at the conference entitled, “The New Antinomianism: Evaluating the Implications of Cross-centered Sanctification.” Ok, we understand that there is a bunch of confusion at The Masters’ Seminary, but is this just more confusion, or outright deception? For the most part, Christians intuitively believe that sanctification is synergistic while justification is monergistic. Even if you believe you have a choice, obviously, God alone made a way to be saved. Let me suggest that if our sins are only covered, soteriology becomes very deep and we need the philosopher kings; if our sins are ENDED—not so much.

At any rate, the herd of heretics in these last days are well aware of the intuition, and therefore merely emphasize justification resulting in the out-of-sight-out-of-mind result of “justification by faith alone” which is really sanctification by faith alone as well. James sternly warned the church against this heresy. But every now and then, this herd of supposed stalwarts of the faith that the apostles predicted would be absent in the last days to begin with, sense that the totally depraved zombie sheep are catching on and it is time for a little doublespeak.

I read the title of the message to Susan, and as she looked at me dumbfounded, I asked, “So, do you think this is confusion, or deception?” Her reply: “deception.” Perhaps, but as I have stated before, I believe many of this year’s speakers at TSC 2014 are the premier heretics of our day who are leading untold thousands to hell, in fact, I doubt hell ever looked better while MacArthur is just plain confused. An example is the maintaining of his dispensational eschatology along with his Reformed soteriology. Antinomianism usually walks hand in hand with one judgment and covering, while the former is consistent with multiple judgments for different purposes and the ending of sin resulting in new creaturehood that is personal and not realm related. It is a righteousness that is personal, not merely an imputed experience.

So, will a review of this message, when it is posted, reveal a sound interpretation of sanctification; ie., Mac-like confusion, or has this speaker been called on to calm the herd with Reformed doublespeak?

Let me close with why the title of his message is spot-on. Antinomianism, an actual biblical word as opposed to Phil Johnson’s favorite unbiblical concept of “legalism,” is both good and bad. Anti-law in justification is good while anti-law in sanctification suggests that we are still “under law” and need a continued “covering.” If our sin is still judged by the law, we need perpetual justification. And if we need a perpetual, “covering” by the blood, that obviously suggests a perpetual return to the cross; ie., “cross-centered” sanctification.

Well, humans are created to work and think both. That’s why space aliens have skinny little bodies and big heads; they create reality in a realm by thinking about stuff, you know, like Phil Johnson’s gospel contemplationism. But reality is tricky when you are created to work: how do we work to please God without it going towards our justification? See, that makes things really tricky; that’s why you need them, and that’s why they have conferences…

…if they didn’t continually remind you of that, they would have to get a real job. And besides, you pay for the reminder.

paul

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  1. Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on March 7, 2014 at 10:04 AM

    Reblogged this on Clearcreek Chapel Watch.

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  3. gricketson01's avatar gricketson01 said, on March 7, 2014 at 10:40 AM

    paul,thnx for what your doing here,good stuff.im new to this,tryin to catch up a bit so i can keep up lol.argos got me brushing up on my metaphysics too lol. peace greg

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  4. gricketson01's avatar gricketson01 said, on March 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM

    argo,lol
    not to worry much,by my study of metaphysics,i mean i googled the word,lol.but i have been coming across the word more these days. 🙂 oh and i hav been to jons site breifly checked out a cpl articles,thnx alot of stuff for a rookie to take in let alone digest,but fun none the less 🙂

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  5. Lydia's avatar Lydia said, on March 7, 2014 at 10:04 PM

    “Now for the tidbit. He informed me that one of the speakers, a Jerry Wragg, delivered a message at the conference entitled, “The New Antinomianism: Evaluating the Implications of Cross-centered Sanctification.” Ok, we understand that there is a bunch of confusion at The Masters’ Seminary, but is this just more confusion, or outright deception?”

    Oh this one is rich. Again we see so much twisting, redefining of concepts and even outright hijacking to own and define something. They did it with the word “grace”. so why not? I vote deception. Seen it too many times. (The cals have done this with “free will, too. See, you have the “free will” to sin only)

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  6. Lydia's avatar Lydia said, on March 7, 2014 at 10:08 PM

    Paul, I just have to share this one:

    Link: http://thewartburgwatch.com/2014/03/07/driscoll-furtick-gothard-9-marks-obedience-and-earl-grey-hot-youll-need-it/#comment-133990

    “She is correct when she says that we should not live a life of ecstatic disobedience. But, she also failed to discuss Paul who viewed his sins in this way in Romans 7:19 (NIV-Gateway)

    For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do–this I keep on doing.

    Paul got it. We will continue to sin and we will continue to seek forgiveness. I do not believe that most Christians are ecstatic over their sin and disobedience. They are ecstatic over the great grace which has resulted in the forgiveness of sins. We do not need to live like many people in certain ministries loved by Calvinistas. Such people live in constant condemnation. Their sins are dissected and pointed out by both pastors and sin hounds who relish “making observations.”

    I am ecstatic but I do not rejoice in my sin. I rejoice in a God who knew I would continue to sin and provided me a means for forgiveness and a way to go forward. It’s called grace, a word which is getting bad press in certain circles these days. I am free. I want to do what is right but I know that many times I will fail. And I can be at rest in His grace and this gives me great joy.”

    (sigh. So, Jesus went to the cross so you could keep on sinning and it is covered. What i don’t understand is why they don’t extend this thinking to CJ Mahaney, Driscoll and others. Moral Chaos. So if we are expected to keep on sinning why should we ever trust one another as believers?)

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  7. Lydia's avatar Lydia said, on March 7, 2014 at 10:58 PM

    You know, I got to thinking maybe TWW did not keep reading Romans to chapter 8 understanding this is a letter and Paul was making an argument that culminates….Perhaps they don’t know this wonderful part that sort of negates the proof texting of chapter 7:

    12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

    Christ made it possible to END sin in our lives. To live the kingdom now.

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  8. Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on March 8, 2014 at 12:11 PM

    Most discernment blogs = save institutional church = lost cause.

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  9. Jon's avatar Jon said, on March 9, 2014 at 4:13 PM

    David,

    I don’t think I have ever read or heard a Calvinist who taught that Jesus only died to cover or sins and not to take them away. Can you quote one who teaches that?

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  10. Jon's avatar Jon said, on March 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM

    Platt said, “this is a sacrifice that effects the removal of all their sins” 46:28. In reference to Christ fulfilling the type of the scape-goat, he said, “whenever your sins have been placed on Christ, they are removed as far as the East is from the West, never to be counted against you again.” 47:03 How can you claim he teaches believer’s sins are only covered?

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    • Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on March 9, 2014 at 6:55 PM

      Jon,
      This is your first advisement. I will not tolerate this type of nonsense on this blog. I have a transcript of the video coming because I am writing an article on it. Platt states throughout that Christ’s sacrifice “covers” our sins, and then in the next breath he states that our sins are taken away. If you coincide that with his statements throughout the video that Christians remain totally depraved, enemies of God, or whatever his exact terminology was, it is clear that our sins could not be “taken away.” You cherry picked a couple of statements out of the video, ones that are part of that heretics ploy, and have put me in a position where I have to respond, and that my friend is a waste of my time.

      DON’T DO IT AGAIN.

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