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Dr. James White (Calvinist) and Dr. David Allen (Arminian) Keep the Christian Herd Calm While Vying for the Mutton

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on December 5, 2013

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“Based on the Calvin Institutes 4.1.21,22 alone, how could Dr. Allen say, ‘I do not consider it to be outside the boundaries of orthodox Christianity.’ Does this speak to the condition of American seminaries in general; the brain trust thereof are this clueless? I think it does. Christians are paying thousands of dollars to be educated by theological morons.”

There may be something to Socrates’ theory of intuitive knowledge. I have always suspected that the church is crippled by spiritual caste, but today’s events revealed to me that Protestantism is spiritual caste on steroids. I knew it, but now I really know it. Now I see it clearly.

I have been perplexed for some time over the Arminian/Calvinism debate that Christians never seem to tire of. The reason this is perplexing to me follows: Calvinism is clearly a false gospel. For four years, I tenaciously mapped the history and doctrine of New Calvinism. New Calvinists claim that they are returning authentic Calvinism to the church, a claim that I planned on addressing in volume two of The Truth About New Calvinism. In preparation for volume two, I consulted with church historian John Immel. When I showed him my New Calvinist map, he in essence said, “Yes, that looks an awful lot like what Luther and Calvin believed. I would read the Calvin Institutes.”

And that I did. To my utter shock, I learned that the Calvin Institutes are no more or no less than the New Calvinist playbook. I also learned some other interesting things about Calvinism. In the Calvin Institutes 4.1.21,22, Calvin states in no uncertain terms that Christians need a daily re-forgiveness of sins in order to remain saved, and that forgiveness can only be found in the institutional church under the authority of pastors. He also wrote that pastors are granted authority to forgive sins of condemnation by proxy. Truly, the Institutes are chock full of anti-biblical ideas and outright heresy.

Election versus freewill; Calvinism has been hiding behind this silly debate for more than 500 years while Calvinism is a conspicuous false gospel A-Z. The other day, I was sent some videos that pertained to Dr. James White’s objection to this year’s John 3:16 Conference. Here is what the Baptist Press said about the conference:

While stressing that the discussion between Calvinists and non-Calvinists in the Southern Baptist Convention is a family matter, speakers at the 2013 John 3:16 Conference outlined the differences between the two views and what they believe to be the issues hindering unity among Southern Baptists.

Frank Cox, pastor of North Metro Baptist Church in Lawrenceville, Ga., which hosted the conference on March 21-22, told attendees that the event would help them “engage in the conversation going on across the nation and the Southern Baptist Convention.”

When I saw Dr. White’s critique of the conference, and other videos that in fact showed the ignorance that was on display at the conference and thereby making White look good, I decided to venture back into the arena of public debate. I contacted White’s ministry, Alpha and Omega, and received this reply:

Paul,

1. Could you please direct me to any of your published work on the subject?

2. Could you provide me with your credentials (training, degrees, etc.).

3. What work of Dr. White are you familiar with? Please list his books and debates that you have watched, read and perhaps even commented on.

4. I would especially be interested in any publications or sermons where you exegete, at the very least, Genesis 50:15-21, John 6:37-45, Romans 1-3 and all of Romans 9.

The following was my reply:

1. Yes, until 2012, I was the only author to publish a book on the contemporary history and doctrine of the Neo-Calvinist movement. In 2012, a work by Dr. Robert R. Congdon cited my book six times, and referred to it indirectly in several other places. Reviews of my book can be found at The Truth About New Calvinism .com. Volume 2 is in process, and the only book to date that documents the resurgences of authentic Reformed doctrine since Calvin’s oversight of Geneva. It also documents the antinomian controversies between redemptive historical Calvinists and grammatical historical Calvinists. Furthermore, the book will document the specific influences of Neo-Platonism on Calvin’s theology.

I am the only contemporary author to write a book that challenges the Reformation’s justification by faith alone as a works salvation: False Reformation; Four Tenets of Calvin and Luther’s False Gospel, TANC Publishing 2012. It focuses on progressive justification, the fusion of justification and sanctification, Calvin and Luther’s view of the new birth, their methods of interpretation, and the total depravity of the saints. It does not address the doctrine of election as that subject gets the cart before the horse in regard to soteriology.

Besides, it is my contention that Calvinists don’t really believe in election to begin with. They believe election enters you into a faith alone race in which you have to persevere by faith alone in order to keep yourself saved. In essence, a perpetual re-salvation through the process of mortification and vivification that makes the Christian life an experience, and not a work. This leads to an ambiguity regarding assurance that was an Augustinian hallmark. Everyone stands in one last judgment waiting to see if they lived the Christian life by faith alone adequately enough to avert “making sanctification the ground of our justification.”

I have also written a book (“Pictures of Calvinism”) that addresses the Reformed doctrine of the centrality of the objective gospel outside of us and its supposed application to life.

In addition, I have done research for the Institute of Nouthetic Studies and The Journal of Modern Ministry in response to their requests.

2. Credentials other than being Spirit-filled? Sure. I was a proponent of Reformed theology for 20 years, and a Reformed pastor for five. I was a pastor in Dallas TX, and am presently a pastor in Xenia, Ohio. For whatever it is worth, I have attended several Bible colleges and plan to obtain a degree sometime next year. I am also a certified biblical counselor.

3. I have watched several of Dr. White’s debates via video. The one that incited my goal here was in regard to the John 3:16 Conference. Though public debate is not my forte, I am compelled because Dr. White is right: their arguments against Calvinism are utterly pathetic.

4. I am presently preaching through the book of Romans, and the first eight chapters are published: “The Gospel: Clarification in Confusing Times.” You can peruse the archives here: https://paulspassingthoughts.com/the-potters-house/  We are in chapter 12.

In backing out of the debate, here was their excuse coming from the president of Alpha and Omega:

Paul,

Thank you but I don’t believe that we would have an interest in a debate at this time. Your focus of work seems to be in the area of Calvin and the history of the Reformation which is not something that we have ever pursued as a primary debate topic. Further, we do scholarly work here and after having been accused of ‘picking the low hanging fruit’ on numerous occasions by arminians we have simply raised the bar for the qualifications of our opponents. When you can show me that you have formal training in Greek, Hebrew and Systematic Theology at the very least I will be happy to reconsider whether we could find a topic of interest in common. Further, such a debate would need a primary focus on the scriptures with history being secondary for us to have any interest.

Blessings,

Rich Pierce

Alpha and Omega Ministries

Let me make a point here Mr. and Mrs. Average Joe parishioner. When you go to your pastors with a concern, in the vast majority of circumstances, this is how they see you: unknowledgeable in systematic theology, Greek, and Hebrew, and uncertified by a Protestant philosopher king institution. While they put on their I am really concerned and respect your spiritual intellect look, they are thinking, “Dude, just shut up and tithe your ten percent—you’re clueless.”

By the way, while these guys claim no interested in history, it would do them some good to know that the father of Reformation doctrine, St. Augustine, was not the least bit studied in Hebrew or Greek. And certification? He was a Catholic till the end. Would James White refuse a debate with St. Augustine based on academic credentials?

While I was waiting for the White camp to respond, I sent this email to one of the Arminian philosopher kings who spoke at the John 3:16 conference:

Dr Allen,

Greetings. My name is Paul Dohse and I work with a nonprofit LLC that researches Reformed theology and the Neo-Calvinist movement in particular. I published the first book on New Calvinism in 2011, and that book culminated four years of research. The only other work published on this subject followed a year later, and was written by Dr. Robert Congdon. He cited our work (“The Truth About New Calvinism” volume 1) extensively in his book, “New Calvinism’s Upside-Down Gospel.”

I have also published the first outright challenge to Calvin’s soteriology in “False Reformation: Four Tenets of Luther and Calvin’s Egregious False Gospel.” The book contends that Calvin propagated progressive justification, a denial of the new birth, the idea that justification is predicated on a perpetual perfect keeping of the law by Christ in the believers stead (a law that can give life for justification), and the idea that Christians must keep themselves saved by preaching the gospel to themselves every day.

In light of this, I would like to interview you in regard to your comments during the John 3:16 conference Q&A; specifically, to a couple of young men arguing for separation from Calvinists in the SBC. My blog usually conducts these interviews by videotaping me talking to the participants over the telephone, preferably a landline.

Thank you for your consideration,

Paul M. Dohse

TTANC LLC

Here was his response:

Paul,

Thank you for the invitation, but I must respectfully decline. While I strongly disagree with many aspects of Calvinism, I do not consider it to be outside the boundaries of orthodox Christianity (hyper-Calvinism excepted).

Sincerely,

David L. Allen, Ph.D.

Dean  |  School of Theology

Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

Let us ponder the possibilities:

1. None of these people have ever read the Calvin Institutes while holding conferences and posing as experts on the subject.

2. They know what Calvin believed, but they don’t want to spook the herd for financial reasons.

Based on the Calvin Institutes 4.1.21,22 alone, how could Dr. Allen say, “I do not consider it to be outside the boundaries of orthodox Christianity.” Does this speak to the condition of American seminaries in general; the brain trust thereof are this clueless? I think it does. Christians are paying thousands of dollars to be educated by theological morons.

Moreover, on the Arminian side, it is the same. Notice how Dr. Allen summarily dismissed my assertions about Calvinism without a shred of curiosity. Why? See the Alpha and Omega Ministries reply—same reason. So, likewise, even if you are a theologically accomplished layperson, and you have a discussion with one of these Arminian guys, the result is the same:

While they put on their I am really concerned and respect your spiritual intellect look, they are thinking, “Dude, just shut up and tithe your ten percent—you’re clueless.”

Be not deceived, whether Calvinist or Arminian, they both have the same goal: don’t spook the herd. It is a spiritual caste system rivaled by none. Rather than teaching you theology, they banter back and forth to keep you confused, and controllable.

“After all,” says their fears, “if the herd can understand theology, what would they need us for?”

paul

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  1. Paul M. Dohse Sr.'s avatar paulspassingthoughts said, on December 5, 2013 at 11:40 PM

    Reblogged this on Clearcreek Chapel Watch.

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  2. trust4himonly's avatar trust4himonly said, on December 6, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    Faith Glade- credentials:

    Former RN nurse, wife, mother, and homeschool mom of three precocious teenagers.
    Loved by Jesus Christ and led by the highest Scholar and Theologian – the Holy Spirit.
    His degree: the Trinitarian Doctorate along with the OT, Gospels and NT Epistles.

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  3. trust4himonly's avatar trust4himonly said, on December 6, 2013 at 12:19 AM

    Thank you very much……….

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  4. johnimmel's avatar johnimmel said, on December 6, 2013 at 1:52 AM

    Yea… this is just vile.
    The condensation here is very telling. I saw this very attitude when I was getting my degree in Systematic Theology. And the bottom line is you are never educated enough to garner “academic” credibility because the moment you disagree with their doctrinal premise you are just as disqualified as you were when you didn’t have some letters behind your name.

    What the hell does Greek and Hebrew have to do with anything? I’d have to look this up, but I am pretty sure that Calvin didn’t know Greek and it is highly doubtful he knew Hebrew. So if the criteria for acceptance into the big boy conversation is based on those credentials … does that mean Calvin is dismissed from consideration too?

    And as for Systematic Theology . . . shrug. That is merely interpretive methodology … not the keys to “correct” doctrine.

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  5. A Mom's avatar A Mom said, on December 6, 2013 at 2:06 AM

    Paul,

    I think a debate would be right down your alley. And great assessment of what’s really going on. Where is the love & thirst for truth on either institutional church side? It’s more business as usual, without life, love or hunger for truth. It’s right there in Calvin’s own writings which he called Institutes of the Christian Religion. I giggled when I read Mr. White didn’t want to touch history with a ten foot pole. Avoid Geneva much? Puritans who? lol

    What are we hearing, say what? Ignorance is bliss? Be happy in a slow cold to hot boil? What happens in life no longer matters? It seems they aren’t thrilled you are awake & thinking.

    Right, the message is clear: Just follow the current pastor’s leadership. And stay in a straight line please. When a religion treats grown adults like children, it’s a red flag.

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  6. johnimmel's avatar johnimmel said, on December 6, 2013 at 2:08 AM

    One further thought ….

    For those of you who wish for the “big dogs to show up” … waiting for some theological heavy hitter with lots of degrees, and a department chair, and a fellowship named after him in a prestigious institution of higher learning, to ride into this Neo Calvinist madness. Trust me it ain’t happening.

    The theological academic world is content to joust in their ivory towers and hold the whole of the Christian masses in contempt.

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  7. neez1669@aol.com's avatar neez1669@aol.com said, on December 6, 2013 at 8:12 AM

    Hey Paul,

    Good morning,

    By the way, I am proud of you for being willing to venture out into the public debate. That took courage and I was sooooo looking forward to the dance, but they refused to even dress for the party, darn. Anyway, I thank you for your willingness to stand against the Big wigs for the truth. Some of us sheep out here are glad not all people out there are trying to control.

    I thought of something this morning. When you talk about looking at the Calvin Institutes and it is the neo-Calvinists playbook, I thought about how Saul Alinsky’s, Rules for Radicals is the playbook for todays Marxist/Socialist political leaders. Oh the comparisons………..these are scary times 🙂

    Denise

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  8. Andy's avatar Andy said, on December 6, 2013 at 9:04 AM

    While reading this post I heard the echoings of a familiar sentiment:

    “And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, ‘By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?’ ” ~ Matthew 21:23

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  9. trust4himonly's avatar trust4himonly said, on December 6, 2013 at 11:03 AM

    Good verse Andy.

    Denise glad to see you respond for the first time, my friend. Yes it is like Saul Alinskys RforR

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  10. A Mom's avatar A Mom said, on December 6, 2013 at 3:22 PM

    Right, Andy. That’s such a good observation. Their premise is they are the authority. They self-qualify as the mouth-piece of God.

    They want us to be preoccupied with an earthly “spiritual” authority hierarchy. Where is the love of truth? Truth is precious, no matter where it comes from: babes, carpenters, a donkey, tax collectors or prostitutes. We are not bound by anyone who claims spiritual authority, run from that. Jesus wants us to see the error of this thinking in Matthew 21.

    Matthew 21:42-46 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: “‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; this was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.” When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them. And although they were seeking to arrest him, they feared the crowds, because they held him to be a prophet.

    John Immel, You astutely avoided credentials as a means to validate your ideas in the first video of TANC 2013. I already knew credentials don’t = truth. The internet encourages learning to occur at a rapid, unprecedented speed, at any age. It’s a level playing field, a modern-day Gutenberg press. The current battle between another Renaissance vs. another Dark Age is raging. The Puritan teaching being pumped out of American seminaries today is unconscionable, immoral, wrong.

    And every discussion & word penned is really about the taking and leaving of ideas. That’s simply what they don’t want anyone to know. Their ideas don’t stand on their own merit, so they drone on about orthodoxy (tradition), systematic theology, authority, pointing to another man’s interpretation (while hiding that man’s own horrific actions). To surface-level satisfy. To numb minds. Remember, it was orthodox to believe the world was flat.

    I was very sick last week. The dr. said it was stomach flu (I knew it was far worse) & prescribed meds. The next day I went to urgent care. I overheard this dr. say, “This is the 10th person with stomach flu today.”, before entering my room. His diagnosis was cemented before meeting me. I said no. He wasn’t happy with me (even though I presented with symptoms/facts indicating it was a bacterial infection instead) but he agreed to labwork. He also said loosing blood in stool was not a big deal. “You lost way more blood giving birth, right?”

    I, in fact, had food poisoning. I need antibiotics ASAP to kill the bacteria trying to kill me. I was sick longer than I should have been. However, had I not loved myself first by disagreeing with the expert, I would have been much sicker for much longer. Good thing I was using my brain.

    Any individual, no matter how much they know, will ALWAYS be wrong if they claim fact based on credentials or tradition. No one needs a medical degree to know it is normal to loose blood when delivering a baby, but it’s not normal to have bloody bowl movements. The dr’s discomfort at the possibility of being wrong led to dumb statements to prop up his preconceived diagnosis. It’s respectable to course-correct & then learn to look more closely. There’s nothing respectable about waxing irrational.

    We are seeing something akin to bloody bowl movements being produced by American seminaries today, followed up with inane irationalizations (like no one can do any good), IMO. They can be beat with one half of a logical, working brain. And they know it.

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