New Calvinism’s Beef With Teaching Children to Ask Jesus Into Our Heart and Voddie Baucham’s Reformed View of Children
Now look, I believe children are born sinful, and I also believe children not properly reared can grow up to be monsters, but we need to also remember that every human being is born with the works/law of God written on their hearts and their consciences either excusing or accusing them. That’s why I don’t go for this total depravity stuff along with the dirty little secret that this also supposedly applies to believers. Man is by nature sinful, but if you go through life looking at the unregenerate as nothing more than barely a step above the animal world, they will know that and it will create issues in your life to say the least.
New Calvinism will die a social death. Authentic Calvinism always does because five things finally come home to roost:
1. Folks finally take a stand against the tyranny it produces.
2. Folks finally catch on to the fact that authentic Reformed theology is Gnosticism (Neo-Platonism) dressed up in Bible verses.
3. Folks grow weary of its pessimistic mindset/outlook on life that came from Plato and Augustine.
4. Folks get bored with the constant recycling of Christology as if that is the only subject in the Bible (Susan and I are hearing this a lot lately).
5. As a result of 1-4, people’s lives start going to hell in a hand basket. Authentic Calvinism always ends up yielding very bad results as it did in Geneva and Salem MA.
But for the first time since the conception of Reformed theology, there has never been a resurgence of it that has been this well systematized and funded (ie, New Calvinism). And, there has never been a time when American parishioners were dumbed down like they are in our day; so, number 2 is going to take a while. In other words, the former resurgent movements haven’t left enough damage for people to remember, and dots usually aren’t connected (ie, the Salem witch trials were an identical event to what took place in Geneva under Calvin’s reign of terror). So, every hundred years or so it makes a comeback and then dies out again. The goal is to limit the carnage and educate to prevent another resurgence.
Now back to my original point about children. New Calvinists get this Reformed, abysmal view of man from Plato and Augustine. And the following quote by New Calvinist Voddie Baucham depicted in the illustration should be all that needs to be said.
Keep New Calvinists away from our children.
Paul's Passing Thoughts 
That might just be typical of calvinist’s children. They are angry that God might not love them enough to elect them to salvation. No wonder Jesus wept.
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It is amazing how far from the scriptures these people get. Jesus uses a child as the standard as to how to come into the kingdom and says unless you are like one of these little ones you will not be able to enter. So with Voddie’s assessment of babies and Jesus’ requirement that you must like a child then the only people who will be able to enter the kingdom of God would those who are willing to kill their parents as they sleep.
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For crying out loud, can’t this ( Calvinism) just die…
We are definitely witnessing a time where our young people are being abused and neglected in large numbers- whether in the church or the secular world. Once you tell the young ones that it is hopeless, you can gain control over their very beings. They grow up feeling like there is no one to turn except the dictators in charge.
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I do find it interesting that in a day when Arminian theology is being accepted by more Christians than ever that it’s also the day when more parents are murdered by their children than ever. Coincidence, I know.
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Louis, What you call Arminianism has always been, and remains an extreme minority. Arminianism isn’t everything NOT Calvin. Like most Calvinists, you are clueless in regard to church history other than what “spiritually enlightened” despots want you to know. Calvinism Light that lives on when authentic Calvinism dies out every 100 years or so considers election to be a paradox/mystery that somehow weaves the sovereignty of God with free will and rejects Augustinian fatalistic determinism. What isn’t a coincidence is that the same exact behavior played out in colonial Calvinism was also played out in Calvin’s Geneva; ie, the Salem witch trials among many other examples.
Authentic Calvinism dies out for the following 5 reasons:
1. It’s pessimistic, hopeless message. 2. It’s ambiguity towards the law starts yielding bad results in real life. 3. People tire of the continual recycling of 365 different versions of the gospel. 4. It’s spiritual tyranny and compounding spiritual abuse begins to peak. 5. Christians eventually discover that authentic Reformation doctrine is false; ie, progressive justification.
Furthermore, parent killers are mentioned by the Apostle Paul in the book of Ephesians and you have no proof that it is any more prevalent today than it was in the first century. Moreover, Christ said that in the last days people would be cold hearted BECAUSE of “anomia.” So, if anything leads to that kind of cold heartedness, it is Calvin’s version of anomia: Jesus obeys the law for us and he lived a perfect life of obedience so that his obedience could be imputed to us in sanctification.
paul
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You disagree with the doctrine of imputed righteousness? How then is man made righteous?
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Imputation is not progressive thou confused Calvinist.
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Arminianism is “salvation maintained by works” theology. No where here is that stated. As Paul States the Law brings us to KNOWLEDGE of our sin. After Salvation the Law only reveals what we could not do and always points to the One who fulfilled the Law and its deathly sentence. It brings us to…..drum roll here…….that we are filled with the HOLY SPIRIT. Wow…such a thought. This is a concept that is so lost with Calvinism- yes, Christ lives inside of us – Permanently- for all eternity. We, as Christians, must then rely on the Holy Spirit for sanctification (not the confusion of progressive justification)- but, hey guess what? We can quench the Holy Spirit as well; we can, by our own choice, stop living the fruit- of-the Spirit life and go back to our sinful flesh. By our choice- it is our responsibility to live or not live righteously. If we do not live righteously we lose rewards in eternity and the peace of God/blessings of the fruits of the Spirit in this life; we do not lose our Salvation however.
I know that is too simplistic for the many theological minded, but I do love the Bibles simplicity and clear understanding of spiritual things – don’t you?
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Right, and I always knew eschatology was important, but I didn’t know why. 2 resurrections and 2 judgements (one for rewards–not to judge works) go with the gospel that separates just and sanct. The Reformed view necessarily calls for one of both because sanct and just are fused.
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Also something to point out here: if anything look at the life of Christ and who he hung out with. They all had theologies in fishery, tax collecting, and homemaking. Paul and his theological training was brought down the lowest- he thought in his mind he was the most religious with all his knowledge if the Law. This is why Paul was humbled and knew his standing before the Lord the most after his conversion. “Paul, Paul why arduous persecuting me?”
Calvinist, Calvinist why are you persecuting me with all the confusing terminologies and religious jargon that confuses the simplicity of the gospel and Salvation? Why are you persecuting me with your oppressive demands of progressive justification upon my people? Why do you suppress the rightful and individual position/relationship of the Holy Spirit in each and every believer and supercede it by placing elders and pastors a “Reformed Popes” not loving and humble shepherds?
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Excuse me “Paul, Paul why are you persecuting me?”
My spell check goes crazy on me sometimes.
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Its just “connect the dots” isn’t Paul? Makes you walk away in pure wonder of how brilliant our God is ! What freedom there is in Christ!
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When one relinquishes the Salvation by works or progressive justification thinking, one then is free to serve Christ. We do not have the burden of trying to achieve that status or confirmation of “Am I sure?” or “Did I do enough?” We then can focus “How can I serve Him in my Christian walk today and for eternity?” We end up being “Christ focused” instead of “Me focused”. I was constantly told I was depraved and a sinner at the church I use to go to. I was plagued with internal doubt about my salvation for 2 years. Instead of being “focused on Christ” it was focused on our depravity. After I left, doubts subsided. I was so focused on my justified standing with the Lord and forgetting about my sanctified standing with the Lord. The Lord wants us to live His Word not be stuck in the time warp of faulty doctrines of whatever fuses salvation with works.
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Exactly. Staying at the foot of the cross to maintain our salvation is a serious issue. At what point are we, and here it is, their word’s not mine: “making sanctification the ground of our justification.” They get a huge pass on this because people assume they are talking about the Jesus+something else crowd to maintain justification. But they aren’t, they are talking about Christ + Calvin’s secret formula for not making sanctification the ground of our justification because of things we do in sanctification, like obeying the law. If we don’t obey the law in sanctification (because, and here it is: “Christ is our sanctification” and “Christ for [as in obeying the law FOR] us”), Christ will be the ground for our justification in the final judgement. The first huge red flag is the belief that Christian will ever stand in a judgement that determines justification rather than sanctification rewards. So, when you were at that Reformed church, they didn’t teach much eschatology did they? Nope, because it causes huge problems with their theology. > —–Original Message—– >
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