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Should Christian Doctrinal Debate Be Public?

Posted in Uncategorized by Paul M. Dohse Sr. on May 11, 2011

I have taken a lot of heat lately over my public criticism of New Calvinism. Some arguments, for example, go something like this:

“I respect you working hard at something you so fiercely believe in but in the grand scheme of the Great Commission, do these arguments help or hurt the cause of Christ? Sparring between brothers in a good debate is one thing, but making a spectacle of Christianity is not a testament of the grace of God. It is dangerous to publicly call out other brothers.”

Though this comment was made in the same thread as those defending New Calvinist, that wasn’t the intent of this Christian—the intent was to simply pose the question for consideration. However, there was an element of New Calvinism that I wanted to post on that can be based on this question; so, let the New Calvinist themselves answer this question. Also, you can frame this post in regard to comments like the following as well: “Who are you to publicly criticize these great men of God?” Or: “How dare you slam God’s chosen men?” Or: “DA Carson is the greatest theological mind in recent history—who are you?”

Let me set the table. At the 2006 Together for the Gospel conference (T4G), New Calvinist presented an official statement on “the gospel.” T4G is a gargantuan organization (along with The Gospel Coalition) that promotes New Calvinism. The document was divided into three primary categories: “In the essentials unity…in the nonessentials, liberty…and in all things, charity.”

In the essentials unity? Many of the core leaders of T4G are Charismatics. In fact, a huge portion of the New Calvinist movement includes Sovereign Grace Ministries which is an organization founded on—get this: “Reformed Charismatics.” One of the T4G’s “Core four” is CJ Mahaney who is president of SGM. So, obviously, teaching that Christians don’t get all of the Holy Spirit when they are saved is not essential to the gospel. Hmmmm.

In the nonessentials, liberty? That would be anything and everything other than the four core elements of New Calvinism: sanctification by faith alone (sanctification by justification only), the total depravity of the saints, daily salvation, and Scripture as narrative only—not instruction. Please, please, don’t complain that these four tenets are not substantiated in this post; this blog is pregnant with direct quotations from New Calvinist that confirm these tenets. Also, indicative of the movement’s confusion, part of Article XVI states, “We further affirm that the teaching office of the church is assigned only to those men who are called of God in fulfillment of the biblical teachings.” Though I agree, what does that have to do with the essentials of the gospel? That’s more of an essential than Pneumatology? Not only that, Charismatics ordain women all the time! I might also add that Steve Camp had the following complaint in regard to the document: “In these eighteen articles there is no Scripture listed.”

In all things, Charity? Here, I finally get to the point: all things charity unless you’re an orthodox evangelical. Because of the shear mass of this movement and its immense media power; and in a twist of absurd irony, there has never been a time in redemptive history when orthodox Christianity has been more fustigated publicly by professing Christians. The best known proponents of the movement constantly accuse evangelicals at large of promoting a false gospel, and nothing has ever been more public. Furthermore, it boils down to nothing more than a call for mass division in the church. As a matter of fact, I was attending a church in Fort Wayne, Indiana that was loosing members to a New Calvinist church in the area, and the elders couldn’t figure out why. Not only that, the departing members seemed to be offended, and no wonder.

Though, again, several examples can be found on this blog, I will cite some examples:

Tullian Tchividjian: “As I’ve said before, I once assumed (along with the vast majority of professing Christians) that the gospel was simply what non-Christians must believe in order to be saved, while afterward we advance to deeper theological waters…..Fundamentalist smother the gospel in moralism.”

Paul Washer: [I don’t believe that] “even 15% of my Baptist brethren are saved….we find a truth that must be rediscovered by all of us [emphasis mine]. The Gospel is not merely an introductory message to Christianity. It is ‘the’ message of Christianity, and it is not only the means of salvation, but also the means of continued sanctification in the life of the most mature believer.”

Michael Horton: “Where we land on these issues is perhaps the most significant factor in how we approach our own faith and practice and communicate it to the world. If not only the unregenerate but the regenerate are always dependent at every moment on the free grace of God disclosed in the gospel, then nothing can raise those who are spiritually dead or continually give life to Christ’s flock but the Spirit working through the gospel. When this happens (not just once, but every time we encounter the gospel afresh), the Spirit progressively transforms us into Christ’s image. Start with Christ (that is, the gospel) and you get sanctification in the bargain; begin with Christ and move on to something else, and you lose both” [in other words: if you don’t believe in sanctification by faith alone—your lost, and that would definitely be the vast majority of evangelicals].

Chad Bresson: “I believe the greater danger lies with those who would so exalt the Bible [by using it for instruction and wisdom], that the Centrality of Christ in all of life and all of history is eclipsed. And that is the legacy of the conservativism of our own day.”

John Piper: “ You never outgrow the need to preach to yourself the gospel….I know that there are people reading this who are not trusting Jesus Christ, and therefore can only expect condemnation” [if you don’t preach the gospel to yourself everyday].

Comment on an article by Justin Taylor, The Gospel Coalition Blog: “It’s not that complicated: the ground of all Christian obedience is the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. Justification [salvation] occurs EACH [emphasis NOT mine] time a believer confesses and receives forgiveness for his sins [among the many other comments posted on this article including those by Justin Taylor and Chad Bresson—none disputed this comment / statement. In fact, Bresson supported it by indicating that Christ presently obeys for us].

Paul David Tripp: “I am deeply concerned that the gospel has been redefined in the contemporary church in a terribly significant way.”

Concerning the aforementioned question, I will answer it from the standpoint of this blog; when a massive movement calls on evangelicals to acknowledge that they have been sold a bill of goods concerning the gospel for the past several hundred years, and in a very public way, does one have any choice but to counter that publicly? I don’t think so. Can the ignoring of such a movement hinder the gospel? Absolutely.

paul

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  1. Jess's avatar Jess said, on May 11, 2011 at 11:39 PM

    Paul,

    I found it very interesting that you mention many of the T4G leaders are charismatic. That’s an element in the Sonship study I’m involved in that has been surprising to me. During a conversation regarding my relationship with my sister, I was told by another person in this study that she could “sense God has something” for me in my relationship with my sister. She couldn’t tell me what that something was, but repeated several times that she could “sense” this. Several minutes later, despite this display of special spiritual powers, she was telling me that her heart is totally black (total depravity). Needless to say, this led to much discussion of regeneration and the fact that she has been through this course several times and her father is a pastor was touted as authority against my lone claim to reading scripture. What’s more disconcerting is that I don’t think others in this bible study are reading scripture for themselves. When I mentioned that James talks of faith plus works, I was challenged to show where it says that — they didn’t believe me. Plus, when I explained that the great commission is to share the gospel and to teach others to DO as Jesus commanded, there was a skeptical silence. I hope the skepticism was just my imagination. (As an aside, that skepticism falls on the heels of their recent statement that they’re relieved to know of God’s grace — that there are no lists of rules or laws to follow. I was shocked into silence and wish I had had the presence of mind to ask who made up that rule or law and why they think they should follow it!) So, regarding charismatics, I wonder, if they believe one can receive direct revelation from God (“hearing” His voice and “sensing” the Spirit), they feel less of a need to read the bible.

    Also, regarding comments you may receive as to your standing in comparison with all these respected, “papered” and published men: do you not have eyes, ears and a brain like them? Whether they possess the Spirit of God is another thing and should be tested. Human accolade does not make any man above being tested by scripture (which commands us to test spirits (1 John 4:1)) or examined in light of scripture (which commands us to be good Bereans (Acts 17:11)). Thus, upon scriptural examination, one will know if those other men can actually be called brothers in the first place. We should “call them out” if they’re not brothers — for Jesus’ sake and for brothers! Anyway, is there any cause for defense when you may be criticized by others as they compare you to other MEN? On the other hand, criticism you might receive from others as they compare you to the WORD would be worth examination…

    IN RE: “I respect you working hard at something you so fiercely believe in but in the grand scheme of the Great Commission, do these arguments help or hurt the cause of Christ? Sparring between brothers in a good debate is one thing, but making a spectacle of Christianity is not a testament of the grace of God. It is dangerous to publicly call out other brothers.”

    The grand scheme of the great commission is sharing the truth of Christ, right? So, should we not be arguing the truth for Christ’s sake? A “good” debate is not a friendly sparring because only one can stand for the truth, and Christ came not to bring peace, but to divide (Luke 12:51). Thus, how is standing for the truth making a spectacle of Christianity? How is standing for the truth not testifying to the grace of God? Can those men we publicly call out be our brothers?

    So, I guess it boils down to: who stands for the truth? Read your bible . . .

    Jess

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  2. paul's avatar paul said, on May 12, 2011 at 12:23 AM

    Jess,
    I’m going to have to paraphrase one of your quotes and post it on FB: “What New Clavinist made up the rule that because of Grace there are no rules to follow, and why should we obey him?”
    Your subjects are not hardcore yet or they would have argued your excellent arguement this way: (With a condecending smirk on their face); “Well Jess, the Bible isn’t a proof text or a bunch of cognitive precepts that we apply to a formula for life. The Bible is about a person, Jesus Christ, remember Him? Jess [in a tone that emplies that you are a child], James also said that if we disobey the law at one point, we are guitly of breaking all of it. Jess, you cannot keep the law perfectly–that was the point James was making. The commands in the Bible show us what Jesus has done for us, not what we pick ourselves up by the boot straps and do for ourselves. This should make our hearts thankful, while the ‘command’ and perfect standard drive us to His feet at the cross where we recieve a deeper and deeper sense of dependance on Him.”

    Actually, sometimes I think I could teach this stuff better than they do. Anyway, point being, they’re not too far gone yet–will be praying that you can turn them. Also, be praying for the project I am working on that will help God’s people contend against the kind of arguemment I jus t refered to.
    paul

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  3. Jess's avatar Jess said, on May 12, 2011 at 12:35 PM

    Paul,
    You’re right! They’ve actually made a statement in that regard before — about breaking the whole law and needing Christ. I look forward to your project and will be praying . . .
    Thank you for your prayers.

    Jess

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