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Why Does Paul Washer’s Family Stalk People?

Posted in Uncategorized by paulspassingthoughts on July 16, 2013

gospelgrid11Sanctified Calvinist Joel Taylor was once a member of a Heart Cry (Paul Washer’s missionary society) church plant. Since he left more than a year ago, Washer’s boy-elders have been stalking him and his family. Taylor’s recent, and chilling account can be read here.

By the way, just sayin’, if Paul Washer ever smacks me on the head, it’s on. If any New Calvinist ever lays hands on me, they are in for a really, really big surprise. “Paul! Where in the world did that come from?” I’m not at liberty to say. Let’s just say that my nature is not as passive as some other brethren. And even before I was a Christian I had contempt for bullies.

And Paul Washer is a bully. While presenting himself as a crusader against easy believism and a stalwart of Biblicism, he propagates an egregious false gospel. That’s why he allows his little minions to stalk his detractors; he’s unregenerate. 2 + 2 = 4.

Let me make that case. In Washer’s book, The Gospel Call And True Conversion, one does not even get past the first chapter without taking note of blatant heresies. In chapter one, under  The Essential Characteristics Of Genuine Repentance, and under the element, Renunciation of works, Washer states that the truly righteous person “sees” the impossibility of possessing God’s righteousness and the “unsearchable depths of his own depravity.” Any questions? Under Practical Obedience, if one reads carefully, Washer posits the only logical conclusion to the assertion that Christians are totally depraved; “obedience” is a “manifestation” of Christ’s salvific works progressively imputed to us.

Under Continuing and Deepening Work of Repentance, Washer states that maturity in a Christian life grows as we obtain a deeper and deeper sense of our own brokenness and depravity. But then the grand heresy follows under the same heading that is the last element of repentance in chapter one. Washer asserts that as the Christian becomes more and more aware of his own depravity, visions of God’s grace results in joy. Washer states that the joy equals our brokenness. So, focusing on our depravity, as Christians, leads to seeing God’s grace more and resulting in joy. In essence, and please note this with all vigor, we find joy in our depravity. Of this, Washer states in the same section, “This cycle simply repeats itself throughout the Christian life.”

That’s why my dear Sanctified Calvinist friend—that’s why Washer stands by silently: it’s a totally depraved family tradition.

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  1. […] Why Does Paul Washer’s Family Stalk People?. […]

  2. paulspassingthoughts said, on July 16, 2013 at 9:00 am

    Reblogged this on Clearcreek Chapel Watch.

  3. Andythat said, on July 16, 2013 at 9:05 am

    The dictionary defines the term “neurosis” as follows:

    “Also called psychoneurosis. a functional disorder in which feelings of anxiety, OBSESSIONAL THOUGHTS, compulsive acts, and physical complaints without objective evidence of disease, in various degrees and patterns, DOMINATE the personality.”

    In my book, this constant obsession with believers focusing on our so-called “depravity” qualifies as outright neurotic behavior. The apostle Peter said it well: “While they [Washer, et al] promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in BONDAGE.” ~ 2 Peter 2:19

  4. Andy said, on July 16, 2013 at 9:08 am

    The dictionary defines the term “neurosis” as follows:

    “Also called psychoneurosis. a functional disorder in which feelings of anxiety, OBSESSIONAL THOUGHTS, compulsive acts, and physical complaints without objective evidence of disease, in various degrees and patterns, DOMINATE the personality.”

    In my book, this constant obsession with believers focusing on our so-called “depravity” qualifies as outright neurotic behavior. The apostle Peter said it well: “While they [Washer, et al] promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in BONDAGE.” ~ 2 Peter 2:19

  5. Christian said, on July 16, 2013 at 10:11 am

    Actually this shows the depravity of the arrogant neo Calvinist movement!

  6. Argo said, on July 16, 2013 at 10:30 am

    We are righteous by conceding that we cannot be righteous; and by definition conceding we are not righteous cannot then be a righteous act?

    Huh?

    And because we cannot be righteous we cannot concede that the Holy Spirit is He who is really recognizing that we are not righteous. We cannot recognize the Holy Spirit as righteous because that would be a righteous act. And it is beyond us. Only the Spirit can be righteous for us. But if this is true, then by definition we can never know this; so if we cannot know this how can we meditate on it? How can we ponder our unrighteousness if WE cannot do that pondering…because it is righteous.

    Unless we want to argue that conceding good is actually good is not good itself, but morally “neutral”.

    But this is irrational, for if something is truly good, then the act of recognizing it as such MUST also be good. First of all, how can a depraved nature do something morally neutral? And second morality cannot be divorced from human action. The act of recognizing good is precisely WHY what is recognized as good is actually good. If there is no one to recognize good, then it cannot be good. It just IS.

    Also, if a human being can concede good, then that in itself is a good action. You agree with the good thing. YOU affirm its goodness and that action must be also good, and by doing so you share in its inherent goodness. Your mind (and by extension your body) becomes one with its recognized moral status. You cannot affirm GOOD with moral neutrality. The two things are mutually exclusive.

    By our depravity we can realize we are depraved? How is that possible? By our depravity we can recognize “good”, i.e. that we are actually bad and God is good? And in this way we can recognize and acknowledge good, an action which must in itself be defined as good. But if we cannot recognize good, but the Holy Spirit acknowledges good through us, then how can we argue for truth when by definition we cannot possibly know it, or apprehend it, or concede it?

    So…are these reformed shills unable to think or unwilling?

  7. A Mom said, on July 16, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Argo – It’s an elitist religion. They fully believe they, the chosen few, are the elect. And what they teach isn’t for them, but for the masses. They are not the depraved, broken ones. No doubt, these guys are disciplined and take care of themselves. They circle the wagons with great preoccupation, no matter the grievance. And most of the sheep don’t see the hypocrisy in “them first” mentality. I agree with you – predestination is a problem. I would go further and say – predestination is the biggest problem. It’s license to evil, mostly. It’s a caste system. Right and wrong aren’t even in the car with predestination. If the tide can be turned against predestination, then the masses will know there is no excuse for these guys and will desire justice. The masses should be encouraged God wants them to freely think and that THEY can choose freely and rightly. If they know that, they will expect the same from their leaders.

  8. freegracefull said, on July 16, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Just go to heartcry and start reading. You gotta love how they compare missionary work to “going down the well” while their support is “holding the rope”. The elitism on that site is just ridiculous.

  9. Lydia said, on July 16, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    I am familiar with Washer and when he hit the scene with quite a splash about 8 or so years ago. He is also a pastoral friend of my cousin’s husband who is a hyper Calvinist from back in their early days.

    Washer lost it. He became more and more bizarre not only in his teaching but in his associations. When he started promoting Doug Phillips of Vision Forum I knew he lost the game big time. Then his wife has a bizarre teaching on Esther (beautifying yourself for your husband) which basically makes the pagan king a model for husbands!

    I often wondered what happed with his going to Noblitt’s church in Alabama where he would have “oversight” of elders. Hmm. I had some friends who started going there and ended up leaving over their promotion of Driscoll and Piper. I also saw some questionable teaching on church authority coming out of their conferences where Washer was featured.

    Joel needs to know that blogging about his experiences with Washer/Heart Cry is a good thing. It could help other people from being sucked into something nefarious. One things these guys do is take young men and mold them into little incompetent Nazi’s. They need to know we will make their behavior public.

  10. freegracefull said, on July 16, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    His Great White Throne sermon on youtube is quite a trip…

  11. paulspassingthoughts said, on July 16, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    FGF

    Got a link?

  12. Abe said, on July 16, 2013 at 8:36 pm

    I have known of people that became suicidal after listening to Paul Washer. I know another guy that lives every day wondering if he’s saved, or ever could be. Washer is a sick man. Jesus will have the last word.

  13. james jordan said, on July 17, 2013 at 1:02 am

    “I have known of people that became suicidal after listening to Paul Washer.” (Abe)

    I better not go listen to that sermon on youtube then.

    “I would go further and say – predestination is the biggest problem. It’s license to evil, mostly. It’s a caste system. Right and wrong aren’t even in the car with predestination.”
    (A Mom)

    James, strike added. Please respect this ministry’s view of the Scriptures. We all know where you stand on this and that we disagree on it–you’re beating a dead horse.

    Yes, well, although that is clearly true, you can’t just get rid of predestination. There’s this pesky problem with it being mentioned in the NT, and there’s the real problem, that the Protestant Reformers threw out the Apocrypha but kept the NT books that teach Predestination. They should have finished the job on cleansing the canon.

  14. freegracefull said, on July 17, 2013 at 8:31 am

  15. paulspassingthoughts said, on July 17, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Can we say, “Drama King.”

  16. Ryan said, on July 17, 2013 at 2:50 pm

    Joel needs to sue Paul Washer and his minions for criminal harassment. Washer is one of the New Calvinists that really gets under my skin.

  17. paulspassingthoughts said, on July 17, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Ryan,

    Agreed. But you know what Ryan? If churches would get involved in universal church discipline on this issue, it would stop. Basically, repent or our church people will not associate with your church people and we will complain to your associations in a letter signed by the whole congregation. That would put a stop to a lot of this.

  18. lydiasellerofpurple said, on July 17, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    “Basically, repent or our church people will not associate with your church people and we will complain to your associations in a letter signed by the whole congregation. That would put a stop to a lot of this.”

    There was a small SBC association in KY that refused to admit a YRR church. Caused a big stink. I am not sure of the outcome but what is interesting is that it caused a bunch of bloggers in the the SBC to check out their church web site finding their belief statement was about 50 pages long and even mentioned Santa Claus!

    So you can imagine what these young Nazi’s were like in person!!!!

  19. lydiasellerofpurple said, on July 17, 2013 at 6:02 pm

    Oh and you can imagine that SBC pew sitters had no idea their tithe money went to such people to plant churches. But it does all the time.

    BTW: No one can get a good fix on YRR church plant successes or failures in the SBC. Some of it is because they give money for a plant such as paying a salary, etc. And these churches are Reformed only with no oversight from the SBC.

    Ed Setzer, who was promoted to Lifeway fame with nice 6 figures, is touted as the church planting guru. Problem is, he has had 2 failed church plants…maybe 3. But no one mentions that part. :o) You gotta wonder how much money was sunk into those and why failure warrants a big promotion in SBCthink?

  20. Julie Anne said, on July 19, 2013 at 8:06 pm

    Did you notice that YouTube says he’s preaching at Grace Community. Let’s see, there’s BGraceBC, SovGRACE, GRACE Community. Who did I miss?

  21. Julie Anne said, on July 19, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Oh, I forgot to make the distinction between Grace Community in San Antonio and Grace Community (John MacArthur’s church).

  22. james jordan said, on July 20, 2013 at 2:24 am

    They love running the word “Grace” into the mud by pretending they teach it. Have you ever noticed, by the way, how sometimes Sovereignty (the big Calvinist word) is often transferred away from God Himself to Grace as if Grace is a sort of secondary Deity? They very easily transition from “The Sovereignty of God” to “Sovereign Grace.” Reminds me of Marcus the Magician’s invocation of a Power called Charis (Grace) in his prayer over the Eucharistic cup in Ireneaus’ Against Heresies where he asks this power possess certain women and make them prophecy. Have they made Grace another God?

  23. Abe said, on July 20, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    God is a God of grace. Grace and peace. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all, is even the last verse of the Bible. God is gracious. The true definition of grace, is apart from law/works (Romans 11:6). But the calvinist definition of “grace” is not Biblical grace.

  24. james jordan said, on July 20, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Abe, I have to disagree with you somewhat. The true definition of grace is not “apart from law/works” but rather its Mercy. “Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD”–and yet that grace came in the form of a commandment to build an Ark to save himself and his household. It wasn’t “apart from law/works” but it was Mercy, because he was given a way to be saved from the flood.

  25. Abe said, on July 21, 2013 at 10:09 pm

    James Jordan, grace and works are opposites (Romans 11:6). If the person is adding works, then they are deleting grace. Paul makes this very clear in every epistle. So you are incorrect.

  26. james jordan said, on July 22, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    “James Jordan, grace and works are opposites (Romans 11:6). If the person is adding works, then they are deleting grace.”

    And when God puts the works there? (I mean rather than “the person” supposedly adding them.) Read the story of Noah again and get back to me. What is the grace there by your theory, seeing as how Noah is required to build the ark? How is that grace by your theory? I’m serious, I DO expect an answer on this; its not a rhetorical question.

    “Paul makes this very clear in every epistle.” No, certainly not every epistle. Read 1st and 2nd Timothy, for instance. In fact, I think this formulation is only in Romans 4, and even there its completely misunderstood because by “works” Paul only means the outdated ceremonial forms of the Levitical law.

  27. Abe said, on July 24, 2013 at 8:14 am

    “because by “works” Paul only means the outdated ceremonial forms of the Levitical law.”

    That can’t be true, because Romans 13:9 uses the ten commandments as wrapped up in love your neighbor as yourself, not the ceremonial law. You’re some kind of Judaizer. Acts chapter 15 eliminates your theology, and Peter and James did that. Aren’t you the guy that denies that Paul is even an apostle? You have no credibility. You teach works for salvation, but that is a false gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

  28. Stevie said, on September 21, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    @ A Mom- you couldn’t be more wrong. We see ourselves as broken and depraved more then you ever could because of our understanding of depravity. It’s not a license to sin. In fact, if one uses it as such then, their heart and beliefs need to be called into question. That WOULD be new Calvinist beliefs. What Paul Washer teaches and believes is Biblical just plain and simple. You guys CAN’T see the truth in the statement I am making because, you are so blind to your sin and depravity. You may speak with your mouth a love for God but, your heart is elsewhere. Your sin should grieve you so much that it drives you to repent but, how often do you justify it? The mere fact that everyone posting a comment is so casual in publicly smearing brother Paul, when if you’re wrong in what you say about him is such a grievous sinful act in and of itself, is a test to the fact that man DOES hate God. That is why you always proceed cautiously when judging a Christian and especially never in the manner you guys have. We believe in election because, the dead cant raise themselves back to life and we ARE dead in our sins. If man is given his own free will he will chose sin every time without Christ! That means, I didn’t go from being dead in my sins and hating God to having a moment of asking for Him! Also, why do you think God isn’t capable of saving us own His own? Does He really need your help? Does He need you to go to Him? Wouldn’t that mean it was a joint effort and in essence be saying that you helped save yourself? Your efforts, your deeds helped the process and He isn’t so sovereign after all, therefor He also shouldn’t get all the glory? Because, you can’t say one without the other and to take glory away from God is a place you don’t want to find yourself in.

  29. paulspassingthoughts said, on September 21, 2013 at 6:42 pm

    Stevie,

    Washer, like all New Calvinists, teaches “mortification and vivification.” It is perpetual rebirth in order to live by faith alone apart from works in the Christian life. It fuses justification and sanctification together, and posits the idea that Christians only EXPERIENCE obedience not their own and do not perform it. Washer et al are masters at cloaking Calvin’s Gnosticism in biblical garb. Most of your statement above is the classic, satanic, Reformed mode of operation in talking about sanctification in a justification way.

  30. davidbrainerd2 said, on September 21, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    @Stevie: How can you “smear” someone who sees himself as “broken and depraved” even after redemption? Such a person smears himself. How can you pick at people who simply agree with him that he is still “broken and depraved” and that he is therefore not saved?

  31. Stevie said, on September 21, 2013 at 9:52 pm

    @paulpassingthoughts- Paul Washer does not believe in a perpetual rebirth. He has clearly stated if you do not show fruits as a Christian, then you need to re-evaluate. You do not have a clear understanding of the what the Scriptures say therefor, you can’t possibly understand what he is teaching. Neither you or DavidBrainerd2 have the first idea about the doctrine of election. It’s not that I am still in a depraved state as a Christian, it is recognizing the depravity that lies within every man. Before I was given a new heart I couldn’t see myself as depraved, now I can. However, now I am justified in the blood of Christ and I have been given a new heart. My desires are aligned with His and not the world. Does that mean I am without sin? Of course not but, my heart now seeks His will. However, until my flesh is dead I will always have temptations of the flesh due to the depravity of all men because of sin. Since God gave me a new heart through Him and Him alone I fight these off as tests and temptations instead of living out willful sin in hate of God and His will. I have no desire to argue back and forth on this matter because, honestly you guys at this moment are blinded to scripture and its not right to just argue on Biblical matters endlessly. I did however, want to defend a brother in Christ, Paul Washer, and explain a little about the doctrine of election to people who may read your post and get an uneducated, ignorant view. One thing I did notice. I heard a lot of name calling, even calling my post satanic but, when you put aside all the child like insults, where were your Biblical defenses for what I said about Gods Sovereignty and man having no drive to stop sinning in and of himself? I truly pray you guys see the grave errors in your ways.

  32. paulspassingthoughts said, on September 21, 2013 at 9:59 pm

    Stevie,

    The “fruit” he is talking about is the fruit of Christ’s obedience imputed to our realm by faith alone–you don’t know what you are talking about.

  33. Anonymous said, on January 15, 2014 at 1:40 am

    It’s amazing that everyone who responded to this claims to know the Bible. It is very clear that we don’t save ourselves, but we believe because God chose to open our eyes, and give us a spiritual birth. Read Romans 9, it can’t get any clearer. It’s just the pride in all your posts that makes you want to believe that you have any part of God giving you grace.

  34. paulspassingthoughts said, on January 15, 2014 at 9:09 am

    Anonymous,

    All who responded here were not afraid to state who they are, except you. Notice also that per the usual with your bunch, and while labeling others prideful, you offer no definitive argument for your judgement. Time and time again, I see this mentality of authority that all of the weight behind what is said is based on the mere fact that YOU said it. Honestly, I believe in your own mind, like Washer et al, you believe that your words should strike fear in the hearts of the great unwashed. Gag–totally disgusting.

  35. julie said, on March 20, 2014 at 11:48 pm

    I have just recently listened to many of Paul Washer’s sermons. He is such a breath of fresh air who is unafraid to tell people the truth about Jesus and the Cross. We can be wrong about many things in life but we cannot afford to be wrong about the Cross and Jesus, our eternal life depends on it. Reading all these non-sense post about what Paul Washer meant leads me to recommend that everyone go back and listen to his sermon’s again, this time take notes. I don’t know how anyone could be led to suicide by listening to Paul Washer’s sermons, this person must have had some mental illness that wasn’t address. Listening to Paul Washer’s sermon gave me hope in knowing that there is at least one person who is willing to deliver the truth like Apostle Paul. I do understand that we are living in darkness and many people who cannot see the light of the truth and the work Paul Washer is doing, needs to re-examine & re-watch his sermons carefully. I thank Stevie for clearing up many misleading post on Paul Washer. I don’t know Paul Washer and just happen to come across him on Youtube. I’ve attended many churches and in my 40 years of being a Christian, never heard such a honest, straight forward sermon with heart and love for Jesus Christ. I pray that God will raise up many strong preachers like Paul Washer so that people can start hearing “The Good News” the way Jesus preached it 2000 years ago. So many church going Christians are listening to what they want to hear rather than what they NEED to hear…to get SAVED for real.

  36. paulspassingthoughts said, on March 21, 2014 at 5:15 am

    Julie,

    Paul Washer teaches the false gospel of progressive justification: ie., we keep ourselves saved by faith alone in sanctification. He is one of the premier heretics of our day.

  37. juliesabuda said, on March 21, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    It’s very clear that you’re not listening but only hearing what you want to hear. Most people fall into this and that is why we need the Holy Spirit. Paul Washer never said “progressive justification” but SANCTIFICATION, big difference. You really need to listen to Paul sermons again very carefully and tell the devil to stop bothering you. Many of Paul’s sermons are similar in that he makes vital message very clear by repeating it in many of his sermons. I too am a highly skeptical person but listening to Paul’s sermons and taking notes helps me to clearly understand where Paul is coming from.

  38. paulspassingthoughts said, on March 21, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    Are you really that naive? Just because he has redefined a term you take that at face value? You are following a man and not Christ, and giving credit to a supposed spirit that I don’t have. So you are a man-follower, without discernment, and arrogant.

  39. juliesabuda said, on March 21, 2014 at 5:39 pm

    I agree with you on one thing, you don’t have the Holy Spirit. We can agree to disagree on your personal feelings about Paul Washer and his message. I listen to many sermons by many preachers, this doesn’t mean I serve them or worship them. I only seek the truth by reading the Bible and allowing the Holy Spirit to helping me decern and know when some is out of line.

  40. paulspassingthoughts said, on March 21, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    And do we know how you can know this about me? Yes we do. Me calling out Paul Washer =’s unregenerate. If I can’t see that Paul Washer is a “Man of God,” there is no way I could have the Spirit. I am ever-so content in letting Christ judge between you and me.

    You get the last word; make it good because you have nothing further to contribute here.

  41. heidi said, on April 15, 2014 at 7:18 am

    Yes, we are saved by grace, but we are kept by obedience, and that means progressive sanctification. The Isralite, s did not enter in because of their disobedience. Once we are saved and have the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, we are without excuse before the Lord why we continue to love the world.

  42. paulspassingthoughts said, on April 15, 2014 at 7:36 am

    Heidi,

    Obedience cannot maintain our justification because their is no sin in justification.

  43. Sandi said, on June 12, 2014 at 2:16 am

    The Sovereign Lord is my salvation from beginning to end and everything in between. I could not keep myself
    one day without Him. He is my Saviour, Lord and Keeper! He has promised to perfect all that which concerns
    me and it is HE that works in me to will and to DO of His good pleasure according to the scriptures.
    He says in the gospel of John that…”All that the Father gives me I shall lose NONE but shall raise him up at the last day! Praise His name.

  44. juan tirado said, on July 14, 2014 at 10:04 pm

    i seen some of his videos and stopped watching them i cant stand his illuminati hand signs flashing.


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