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Hey Dadeo,
Great page! Keep up the work of being a little flame in a sea of darkness! I also like the picture of you, very neat
Love,
Heather
NOt to be a downer but skate board is one word =p
Lived it, learned it, hated it. Keep up the good fight. Thank you for being a voice!
PLEASE REMOVE MY EMAIL ADDRESS. tHANKS
JAY
Please remove my email address
Thanks
Though it wouldn’t be published!
Hi Jay,
I think I found the comment you are talking about in the SPAM. Whenever you send a comment via email that includes a link, it doesn’t make it past the wordpress spam filter. The same thing happened to PDuggie. Glad you dropped me a line on this because I never check the spam file. But also, I am only seeing email addresses in my administrator, and not publicly on the site. So, I think your ok. I am going to pass your comment through spam so it will appear where you posted it, but I will make sure your email address is not published, that wouldn’t be good.
paul
Hi Paul:
Over the years, as I came into contact with the fruit of these men’s ministries, something didn’t “smell right”. One thing that struck me, since God had led me out of false teaching/false profession into the truth, by grace alone, and into the works of men like Bunyan, Goodwin, Edwards, Ryle, Mueller, was that while these men were fond of quoting such men and their works, they don’t live like them.
Some things I always noticed was a love of money (covetousness), and various other forms of “anomia”. This was striking, as in my case, when the Lord saved me he wrote the Law in my heart, and made me echo in my heart with the Psalmist “oh how I love thy Law”, and this inspite of 15 years of vehement anti-law preaching. I had no idea what was going on at first, until I read the scriptures and the doctrines began to congeal. Bunyan’s “Doctrine of The Law and Grace Unfolded” was especially used of the Spirit in this regard.
And, of course the Lord said, in a sort of summary statement on Matt 24 that Lawlessness would characterize this time of which He spoke as the time of the end. It is no surprise then that these men, in one form or another, are antinomian, without the law, make void the law, nay, “For the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to are not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can be”.
How telling is that verse in the context of what you have spoken of in these matters, it is a fearful verse to those who believe God and tremble at his Word.
May we all take heed and what and pray, lest we to are overcome.
The deception and delusion will be, and is, supernaturally driven, where men will have a form of godliness, but will deny the power thereof, where, “if it were possible, even the very elect” will be decieived. Satan’s powers of deception are incredible and any who do not “watch and pray, and take heed” lest they too be swept away as warned of in God’s Holy Word are in danger.
Gerry,
I don’t think you meant to post your excellent comment on the banner. Could you repost it (copy and paste) to the intended post? Your comment is very instructive as I am preparing a sermon on Matthew 7:21,22.
paul
> —–Original Message—– >
Perhaps you might consider changing the name of your blog to “Paul’s Passing Gas” . . . because it appears that most of the foul, hot-air that you produce here is being blown out yer ass.
Paul,
Please be bold and answer this question with at least a yes or no interpretation.
If a 5 Point Calvinist “Baptist” Preacher accepts the call (and Monetary support) from a “Baptist” Congregation (or any Congregation) that he believes isn’t a Calvinistic Church and he won’t disclose his Doctrine while trying to indoctrinate them with “TULIP” behind the Pulpit, is this form of dishonesty, SINFUL?
When he was found out 2 years into his tenure he only wanted to know who discovered he was a Calvinist, then he tried to have TULIP class, when his credibility was in jeopardy he resigned.
In Jesus
David Mark
David Mark,
In other words, he had an agenda that the congregation was unaware of. What’s worse, it was probably a Calvinist dominion agenda. YES–SINFUL, with a capital “S.”
mark,
i would also agree that this ‘pastor’ who accepted a ‘call’ to a non-calvinist church was Intentionally Deceptive. That’s a long form of “He Lied, Truth Died”
i would even go so far as to post an Open Warning on the church’s website (if they have one) about this man’s unbiblical, dishonest and ‘unchristian’ conduct explaining to the whole church what happened and why… as well as warning other churches and christians in general about this non-christian ‘pastor’.
-mike
mark,
can the church ‘sue’ to recover the salary paid to him during the period of time he was in deceiving the church about his doctrine and trying to actively ‘subvert’ the church’s doctrine? i would. it is a classic definition of ‘ministerial fraud’
-mike
Mike,
This Pastor divided the Church while cleaning out the treasury before he resigned. The Church is going through healing with barely enough in the treasury to pay for electricity, let alone hire an attorney.
People that left the church are beginning to come back but many haven’t returned and most of them don’t even know he was a “Covert Calvinist” or understand his doctrine because he never revealed it.
This Pastor’s resume’ has many holes and short tenure’s in the places he has served and I don’t think he has the resources to repay the fiscal damages to our church, which would be the equivalent of two years salary and the cost of him, his wife and kids’ arrival and departure. (which was around 10,000.00).
The only option would be to sue the Southern Baptist Convention which isn’t an option because they are dealing with the same problem with “Stealth Calvinist”.
The best option is being accountable to God. Our Church like many others were vulnerable because of our lacking of God’s word that stimulates opportunity for a Calvinist that embraces Tyranny.
One major problem with the previous Pastor he had issues of Unforgiveness from his former church and divorce from his parents and now I;m sure he is carrying Unforgivenessinto into his new church in Pennsylvania from our little church because we were forcing his hand to disclose his “Methodology” a term I used during his tenure which we learned was a type of Calvinism he wouldn’t describe.
In his last message he said before he forgives somebody he has to “Watch Them” while comparing himself to what Paul went through.
in Christ
David Mark.
Mike,
The actual cost of our church support during our previous Pastor and his family was equivalent 2 years was about 90,000.00 plus about 10,000.00 for transportation. Maybe it was the price we had to pay for lacking the knowledge of God’s word.
In Christ
David Mark
David Mark –
Your current elders and congregation should warn the church he is now attending/leading. They could well end up in the same situation.
Sorry to hear about all of this DM, but it is all too familiar. If there is any way I can help: pmd@inbox.com
mark,
i agrfee that if your church body has the info on the church this ‘pastor’ is currently ‘serving’… or rather, serving himself to… the elders should get together an either call or visit the elders of that church to warn them of the Wolf in Christian’s clothing that they have there… and urge them not only to kick him out ofthe ministry, but also toss him out of the church, as if he is a non-believer.
this man is evil and needs to be shown for the ‘false christian’ and destroyer of the body of christ that he is.
-mike
Mike,
We have corresponded with the SBC.
The SBC, by appearence has unsuccessfully addressed the Doctrinal Strife that “Covert” and “Stealth” Calvinist has created. This isn’t isolated and Preachers like the previous one we had, are being trained to embrace and teach the Gospel with a reckless and abusive “Methodology” in how they interpret Scripture.
*** I have to believe they are also being trained to not to fully disclose their Doctrine upfront. I have to believe they are trained to accept the call of churches that don;t fully explore in detail their resume’ or their Doctrine. This by itself probably is freeing them from litigation.***
The SBC and many Congregations (including ours) aren’t Biblically well versed enough or prepared to deal with a “Covert” Calvinist and the many dialects that exist in the Reformed Calvinist School.
Even the Calvinist are dealing with Contradictions and Strife among themselves..
Our former Pastor is either going to change his Methodology or his new church will open their eyes wide open to what the Bible actually says. If his new Church is a “Dutch Reformed” Geneva style Calvinistic Church his ministry may survive.
I believe our former Pastors’ refusal of not disclosing his Doctrine to any of his former Ministries may haunt him, because he was accepting monetary support under a “Stealth Ministry” which may be a very serious form of Stealing and Dishonesty.
This may hang a cloud of contradiction over his ministry and his Methodology which spent tremendous time focusing on the consequences of Sin and with some Election interpretations and less time on the redemption of Sin through Christ.
Many Calvinist in the SBC don;t condone this behavior and many Calvinist will not accept and struggle to believe this is really happening.
If the SBC doesn’t make a tough and difficult stand and “Split”, their future will only be exacerbated with “Doctrinal Confusion”. Many Calvinist want to take the credit of starting the SBC which is disputable and complicated.
By appearance many Pastor’s and Leaders in the SBC are friends causing them to avoid the harsh reality of “Doctrinal Indifference” they have with each other. at the detriment of Church Congregations who weren’t Biblically equipped in dealing with Dishonest Preachers and their “Methodologies”.
So the problem is back on us, not the courts.
In Chris,
David Mark
“I have to believe they are also being trained to not to fully disclose their Doctrine upfront”
That’s the understatement of the century.
“I have to believe they are also being trained to not to fully disclose their Doctrine upfront”
David Mark,
You might want to pick up Ernest Riesinger’s “Quiet Revolution”. That is exactly what it teaches for taking over the SBC . It is so ingrained now, it is a way of life in the SBC ecause most of our seminaries are following that Reformed model of covert indoctrination. More and more are catching on to it thanks to the internet.
Here it is on the Founders site (ON of the Calvinists groups who want to take the SBC back to Calvinism)
http://www.founders.org/library/quiet/
It is basically a manual on how to take over a church by stealth for Calvinism. The YRR who have been trained at SBTS, SEBTS, etc are not very good at the “stealth” part because they have been taught to be so arrogant.
This is from chapter 3 and will give you some insight into their arrogance:
“In Chapter 2, we offered our diagnosis of the problem with American evangelicalism: It is sick and dying because it has abandoned its Calvinistic foundations. Our prescription for a cure is that our churches return to the old paths from whence they drifted.
We have reasons to hope for a full recovery.
In the first place, Calvinistic Christianity is nothing more and nothing less than biblical Christianity. It follows, then, that the future of Christianity itself is bound up in the fortunes of Calvinism. Obviously the future of Christianity itself is not in doubt, for our Lord declared that the gates of hell shall not prevail against God�s church. And yet we should be quick to acknowledge, of course, that God is not obligated to keep his church existent in America. In God�s sovereign providence, Christianity has been wiped out of other cultures over the centuries of its history. Still, we have hope for revival because our hope is in the God who revives. The same God who opened our own eyes can open the eyes of others.”
David Mark, The “old paths” they want to return us to include slavery, church state, torture, imprisonment, infant baptism, magistrates, etc. You cannot pick and choose the “old paths”. The underlying foundation of the “old paths” is tyranny. Despots. You got to glimpse a bit of how it looks when it comes into a church.
The “old paths” are a horrible tyrannical bloody mess with many wounded left in the path’s wake.
Lydia,
Your “old paths” statement does hit a nerve. Being spiritually dependent on Christ, can’t be taught in a theology consumed with practicing Election and their reckless Methodology full of Religion.
I have compared the tyranny of Calvinist legalism to the Pharisees who were practicing their own legalistic Election Theology on Christ when Christ was eating the Sinner and Tax Collector. The Pharisee considered Christ a “Doctrinal Challenge”.
The hard core Calvinist are putting heavy burdens on themselves by pin-pointing in their Congregations who are going to be a “Doctrinal Challenge” and then judges them to hell, the same way the Pharisee judged the Sinner and Tax Collector. (and Christ) Mark 2:16-17
In Christ
David Mark